That sounds about right for him. I suppose the Red Cross are hypocrites too, and any ambulanceman who happens to have a red cross on their vehicle. Some people in Saudi Arabia got a bit upset during the 1st Gulf War when vehicles had Red Crosses on them, so pedantic and intolerant were these people that all vehicles had to have a Red Crescent on them in place of the offending Red Cross, despite the fact that the vehicles were only there to protect Saudi from an attack by Saddam. In summary, he is not alone in his view.
hmm.. ' The Saudi arabian Red Crescent Society (SARCS) wafounded in 1983, and later became the 91st member of the Red Cross Society'
It makes perfect sense. Your comprehensions skills are severely lacking, which has been demonstrated repeatedly. Saints are exclusively Christian, claims of holy men aren't. More comprehension failure, Fan. The Wiki article refers to other Christian-based faiths, like African Diaspora, as adopting the Christian saints. It also mentions similar holy figures for other religions, like the Wali of Islam or Tzadzik of Judaism, who aren't saints and definitely aren't the same people. Which is why I said this, "A Muslim doesn't recognise the Christian version of god". Same god, different version. Which is why I said this, "they'd be even less connected with this notion of holiness". This, not the. More comprehension failure. Hinduism is impossible to generalise, as it has so many different variations. You're referring to one specific view, which sees Jesus as one of the avatars of Vishnu, if I remember right. Isa Al-Masih, slightly changed? Seems to stem from something of a hoax and I don't think it's a very popular belief. A very modern interpretation from the last 100 or so years. Not the definition that you've quoted, no. Where did you get it from? I agree. That doesn't tally with the definition that you quoted though, as that alcoholic would behave in a way that he didn't believe was right, but wouldn't be a hypocrite. More comprehension failure and a clear admission that you can't even begin to accept any view of the Israel/Palestine situation that differs to your own, thus the anti-Semitic insults. Nope, doesn't exist, which is why you can't show a reliable link to it. If it's in the Torah, then you should be able to point out exactly where it is. Why can't you? No, I didn't. Jip did. You've mistakenly believed that it was me ever since though, for some reason. More bullshit. No, I've labeled you a denier because that's clearly what you are, as your anti-Semitic views make abundantly clear. See? Because everything that you've said there is utter gibberish. If 5.5m Jews died instead, it doesn't make the slightest bit of difference to anything that you mention. To show how ludicrous it is that you stand with these people, as they absolutely hate you and everything that you stand for. Their point holds no weight because they haven't offered a single thing to show that it does hold any. It's clear what their agenda is as soon as you do the slightest bit of digging, especially when they continue to offer up The Protocols of the Elders of Zion as factual document. It was outed as a forgery in 1921. Yet it's those that you go to for your information. And I have no intention of doing so, as the exact figures are irrelevant.
And therein lies the crux of it. Pure holocaust denial. You don't want to get a more exact figure of those killed, you want to rewrite history and claim that it didn't happen. The exact number are irrelevant. Millions of Jews died, but you probably even dispute that. I disputed your claims about Treblinka because they were and are utter rubbish, which you based upon a non-existent report from a neo-Nazi. That's not an accusation against you, as you seem to be claiming, but pure, inarguable fact.
so all the people who have been involved in revising the figures are now deniers? why dont you address the issues point by point as you would normally? or is it simply that you cannot? 'history' as we know it is simply incorrect, whats your problem with correcting it? You claim you are a follower of science because science accepts its mistakes and corrects them, so why not now? I do dispute the numbers bein cited and taken as fact, and have proven beyond a shadow of a doubt that they are incorrect, backed by scholars jewish and non 60m ish people died in the war, what your point re Treblinka, 3 studies and not a single one can confirm. Including sturdy colls most recent study. Soemone you excitedly tried to use as ammo against Krieges findings show me her works, you know the ones that are not allowed to be published, although ALL PHD thesis are openly available generally. The figures around Treblinka are as inconsistent as teh aushwitz ones. We know for FACT that Aushwitz were in fact exaggerated masssively, so it follows that with the lack of evidence for Treblinka it may be the same Face it you were wrong, the 6m is a myth and to be taught it in schools/colleges/universities is in essence lying to our kids If the figs and stats are lies then the conflict in the ME is based upon that lie and being perpetrated today
Trying to make the numbers as accurate as possible isn't holocaust denial. Trying to rewrite history in order to, "turn the notion of the holocaust on it's head", clearly is. That's as open an admission as possible. Krege didn't have any findings, Fan. Where are they? Why haven't they been published? This is all of your supposed evidence against a ton of it saying that you're wrong. The conflict in the Middle East has nothing to do with the exact number of Jews that were killed in the holocaust. That's a ridiculous claim.
The holocaust and the claims of numbers killed during it is what got sympathy/empathy and lead to approval. The desire for a homeland had 'persecution' at the heart of the argument Dress it how you want. If the figure is even half of 6m then there will be uproar, that is why its never discussed and those raising it get labelled deniers Do YOu accept the figure is inaccurate?
You're questioning the figures in order to totally remove the idea of a holocaust, Fan. I can't imagine a more thorough attempt at denial, which is further given away by your attempt to deny that the Jews were persecuted. Utterly ridiculous. The Armenian Genocide was the systematic murder of less than 2m people. That doesn't make it any less appalling. Krege didn't "find nothing", he made absolutely no findings. He didn't publish a single thing. Your claims about Sturdy-Colls are similarly empty and without proof, as are your attempts to get the numbers down at Treblinka. Is the figure inaccurate? No, it's entirely accurate, according to the information that's currently available.
which one? 5 or 6? and as i have given you evidence its far from accurate. 4m became less than 1m Ironically the 6m is based on a nazi's testimony, albeit false and clearly under duress The information we have today clearly supports the notion that the figures were in fact exaggerated, and made to fit
No, it's what you claimed. "The desire for a homeland had 'persecution' at the heart of the argument". Either they were persecuted and the argument stands or you're saying that they weren't. Which is it? You've taken this directly from the neo-Nazi sites, again. The term was used in the past for a wide variety of things, including the Armenian Genocide. Was that a sacrifice to god, too? Eddie would be proud of that conspiracy theory hokum. He hasn't presented his findings and you didn't post them on here, at all. That's a complete lie. He made claims about what he had found, but never presented anything to back any of it up. He also claimed that he was going to publish his findings in a book, back in 2001. Where is it? The man won't even answer questions about the dates that this study supposedly took place. I've no idea whether her paper is available or not. You're the only one I've seen claim that it isn't and has been prevented from being published. Does her study prove anything, one way or the other? I don't know. Given the Polish investigation of 1943, studies done in the 60s by the Germans and Martin Gilbert's examination of the place in the 50s, you'd have to admit that it all suggests that you're wrong. That's before you factor in all of the other evidence, like the Hofle telegram and other paperwork, as well as testimony from all sides. Even if you don't accept that all of that proves the numbers claimed to be correct, the ground disturbance indicated by everyone shows that Krege's claims are false. No, it doesn't and the only reason that you're claiming that is because you believe that Jewish scripture says 6m, which it doesnt.
no it doesnt what? The changes of figures from 4m to less than 1 suggests they were in fact exaggerated. Explain the claims of 6m throughout history please, thanks
It matter a great deal, we should know the truth and should be allowed to question the discrepancies Kids in Iraq shouldnt be killed based on a false premise, yet there are enquiries etc to determine the number. Dont see anyone saying they havent been killed
So, as you accept that the Jews were persecuted, you clearly don't have a point about them claiming that. You accept that they were. The terminology is irrelevant, except to religious loons like yourself. Anyone with the slightest bit of knowledge about WWII knows that the Nazis rounded up a variety of people, a number of whom you also seem to hate, coincidentally. You'd have signed up for the Jews and gays, in all likelyhood! He's never posted any findings, bar one extremely grainy picture which could've been taken anywhere. It's never happened. Ever. No findings have been published. Comprehende? No, he hasn't. He's attended 3 holocaust denial conferences and presented absolutely no evidence at any of them, preferring to make the same unsubstantiated claims, instead. Prosecutions in Germany have halted the production of a book by an Australian working for some American publishers? Germar Rudolf is the guy who ran the company who produced the book with the "you will return minus 6m" claim, by the way, Castle Hill Publishers. He plead guilty to charges of inciting hatred, disparaging the dead and libel and he's been out of jail for nearly 3 years. On which dates? He has no record of entering or leaving the country and there's nothing to suggest that he even conducted this study at all. No, there's plenty of evidence that proves you wrong and nothing to suggest that you're right. Yes, we've been through this and I was clearly right and you were utterly wrong, as usual. Utter failure to address any points at all. Krege claimed no ground disturbances, yet all of the previous studies noted them and the Germans even took photos that clearly showed it. He's utterly, undeniably wrong and only someone hoping to push their own agenda would back his ridiculous, unfounded, unsupported claims. The information that we have today doesn't support your claims. There is no 6m figure in Jewish scripture, which is why you've repeatedly failed to show the presence of it. If it's in the Torah, then say where. That's extremely easy to do. Why can't you do it?
What? so 4m didnt become 1m? You havent explained the 6m in history either, always 6m not 5 not 7 6, why? I gave you the evidence the last time and have consistently given you evidence of the changes in figures this time form jewish scholars as well as non jewish yet you refuse to accept and have no evidence at all. I gave you newspaper reports from america, with pictures of teh headlines made by senior jews and rabbis claiming 6m from the early 1900's, which you keep ignoring why waste time on any more? Funny thing is you claim to be an atheist, and claim to follow science and logic etc yet here science has shown that some of the claims are simply ludicrous, yet you cannot accept them and you claim I am antisemetic because i question the figures and ask for evidence yet you consistently question and ask for evidence of God etc but claim you are not antiGod what gives?
