I have read all of the reports. Suarez tried to say that the comment he made was "little negro" in his native tongue, but in reality it was "******." Either way, what he said, within the context of a sporting event, as a so-called professional sportsman, was vile and racist. The fact that you are trying to defend him (as Kenny-boy did) in the face of universal condemnation from the rest of the footballing world, is a shameful and sorry indictment on 'Pool and its fans.
Are you completely stupid or just acting like a moron? I'm not defending him, I'm just pointing out that you're wrong by saying he used the word '******'. He didn't, thus you're wrong. What he did say is acceptable where he's from, but not acceptable here - and he was rightly punnished. However he's not a racist, even Evra and the FA board say so. Now move along, stop spouting incorrect **** and looking like an idiot trying to gain one-up on another club by citing wrong information.
Words such as negro aren't racist on their own, its all to do with what context they are used and if used in a certain context then they can cause someone distress and be deemed to be a racist and vile term, so if someone is saying to a black man "little negro" in an attempt to wind him up then that is enough to cause someone distress. imo you don't need to be racist to use a racist term as someone can be non racist but evil enough to use racist language to cause someone distress and that says more about their character and them being a evil wee scumbag.
When was this then? I could easily report you for slander and you could be arrested there Good luck in court Hoddle Is A God, unless you get someone to delete the comments obviously that would be the most advisable course of action for you incase someone actually does report you
I was just pointing out that people have to be careful about what they post in public. I'm not going to report him, just making the point that he COULD be reported and taken to court because of that comment. Probably the start of the second paragraph makes it sound like so but I didn't mean it in that sense. So where does that say about Suarez using the word "******" anywhere? Even Evra, who is accusing Suarez of those things, accepts that he didn't once say "******s" in the discussion, its just that he thought that its what "negro" meant.
to be honest it was pretty low of you to try and "scare" a poster with possible court action just because he was expressing a view that he has, as that is what all of us are doing on football forums, expressing our opinions. Yes technically you're correct, in the sense it does leave someone open to slander but you remember when there was all this "stuff" going on with arry and the court case, you reckon by searching this forum we could find slanderous remarks about arry? most likely a page full of them. Lets leave all the threats of court action away as whoever we support, we're footie fans and the "banter" may get aggressive at times but theres no need to throw threats about.
I have lifted these snippets from the transcripts of the FA's case against the racist Suarez:- Mr Evra's evidence was that, in response to his question "Why did you kick me?", Mr Suárez replied "Porque tu eres negro". Mr Evra said that at the time Mr Suárez made that comment, he (Mr Evra) understood it to mean "Because you are a ******". He now says that he believes the words used by Mr Suárez mean "Because you are black". We shall consider further below Mr Evra's understanding of the Spanish word "negro". Mr Evra said that he followed up Mr Suárez's reply "Because you are black" by saying "Habla otra vez asi, te voy a dar una porrada", which means "Say it to me again, I'm going to punch you". Mr Suárez replied by saying "No hablo con los negros". Mr Evra said that, at the time, he understood this to mean "I don't speak to ******s", although he now says it means "I don't speak to blacks". Mr Evra said that after Mr Suárez said "I don't speak to blacks", he (Mr Evra) said "Ahora te voy a dar realmente una porrada", which means "OK, now I think I'm going to punch you". To this he says that Mr Suárez replied "Dale, negro...negro...negro". At the time Mr Evra understood this to mean "OK, ******, ******, ******". He now says it means "OK, blackie, blackie, blackie". The expert witnesses stated that the phrase "Dale, negro" can be understood as "Bring it on, blackie" or "do it, blackie" or "go ahead, blackie". Mr Evra said that as Mr Suárez was speaking he reached out to touch Mr Evra's arm, gesturing at his skin. Mr Evra said that Mr Suárez was drawing attention to the colour of Mr Evra's skin. This gesture is clearly shown on the video footage, just as Mr Kuyt comes between them. It seemed to us that Mr Suárez reached out and pinched Mr Evra's left forearm. In cross-examination Mr Evra said that at the time he did not realise that Mr Suárez had pinched his arm. He was more focused on his lips and what he was saying. So, what we have here is Evra (who speaks the lingo) telling the tribunal that Suarez called him "******" several times, using that term of abuse to taunt him, over and over again. The racist Suarez, in trying to wriggle out of it, explained that he didn't call Evra "******" or taunt him with that term of abuse, but instead called him "blackie" over and over. Because that isn't racist! So, firstly, I choose to believe Evra rather than that lying scumbag racist Suarez; and secondly, for a white man to say to a black man, "I am going to kick you because you are a blackie" is racist, both in this country and in any other country. My questions to you Mousers are these:- 1. (Even assuming that Suarez didn't use the word "******" as Evra told the tribunal that he did, on several occasions), do you think that it was not racist for him to tell Evra, "I am going to kick you because you are a blackie" and (whilst pinching his black skin) "bring it on, blackie, blackie, blackie"? Or do you think that is a perfectly acceptable thing for a white person to say to a black person? 2. Do you accept that Kenny-boy made a major PR gaffe for 'Pool by supporting Suarez, and not coming out condemning him for having made abusive (if not racist) remarks? Straight answers please, Mousers. No more wriggling.
You’re like that geeky kid from the inbetweeners "Do you accept" blah, blah, blah.Funny as **** !
In fairness it probably was, but I'm ****ing sick to the back of my teeth of opposing fans bringing up the Suarez issue in no matter what debate your having with them. Especially when they nearly always include fallacies about what Suarez did, or said. Everything from "Suarez is a proven racist" to "Suarez called Evra a '******' 20000 billion times". ****ing boring mate. Its not banter its just a load of tedious ****e, and people just won't let it lie. They said if Suarez and Liverpool apologised it would go away, but its still being brought up. And it'll be back in the media in august when the Uruguay players smash Evra if he plays against him.
Are you telling us that you think someone who says 'I don't speak to blacks' and in answer to why are you kicking me 'because you're black' is NOT racist. Is that what you are saying?
What I'm saying is there was no actual evidence of that being said. Unlike the Terry case where they will have the benefit of seeing what Terry said on video they don't have any evidence of Suarez saying anything on video. The trial was decided "on the balance of probability" which ****ing stinks. Imagine if you were deemed guilty "on the balance of probability" in a court case. You'd be seething, and rightly so. If you want to read a decent post on the report read this post from a Uni lecturer born in Uruguay. Read it then come back to me: http://forums.liverpoolfc.tv/threads/289556-FA-release-Suarez-evidence-reasons?p=6859329#post6859329 If you have the same opinions of the case then fair enough but if it makes you change your mind about the case a little bit then thats good, too.
Ok I have read it. What immediately comes to mind is that he is not taking into account that Evra reported in HIS Spanish which therefore makes his entire argument against the FA redundant. It would have been a simple matter for Suarez to say I didn't say that I said this. Did he? I don't know and tbh I don't really want to drag all this up again. He was found guilty and did not appeal and that suggests the verdict was correct. My real interest was to make sure that you did not think it was ok to say things like 'I don't speak to Blacks' because that was far from clear in your post. I think you need to make that very clear.
