Quarter of the season down, where would you rate them so far?

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Best Drivers:
1st: Alonso
2nd: Vettel
3rd: Hamilton
4th: Raikkonen
5th: Grosjean


Worst Drivers:
1st: Karthikeyan
2nd: Schumacher
3nd: Massa
4rd: Pic
5th: Hulkenburg


Best Cars:
1st: McLaren
2nd: Lotus
3rd: Red Bull
4th: Mercedes
5th: Williams


Engineering war: (Who is developing the best)
1st: Ferrari
2nd: Williams
3rd: Sauber
4th: Lotus
5th: Red Bull


Best overtaker this quarter:
1st: Hamilton
2nd: Vettel
3rd: Alonso
4th: Kobayashi
5th: Grosjean


Best Qualifier:
1st: Hamilton
2nd: Alonso
3rd: Perez
4th: Grosjean
5th: Rosberg


Most efficient with the tyres (Team Wise):
1st: Force India
2nd: Williams
3rd: Sauber
4th: Ferrari
5th: Lotus


The team that has screwed up the most:
1st: McLaren
2nd: HRT
3rd: Sauber
4th: Mercedes
5th: Lotus


Mistakes aside, what order should the drivers be with regard to the WDC table?
1st: Hamilton
2nd: Button
3rd: Vettel
4th: Raikkonen
5th: Grosjean
 
Wow! What a question!
Rarely has such a thread been so relevant.
Some of these questions really are too close for me to call, particularly for best driver and best team, since the last is significant.

I'd like to emphasise that my answers are not a reflection of allegiance or personal preference.


Best Drivers: Very difficult to separate; but the final question is of the utmost relevance to this, as with best team.
1st: Hamilton
2nd: Alonso
Very close between those two, but it gets even fuzzier for 3rd and beyond…


Worst Drivers:
1st: Karthikeyan (To my mind, he really does not belong in F1)
2nd: Massa (as above; but at least there was a time when he did!)
3rd: Schumacher (as above)


Best Cars: Too close to call. As with drivers, the final question is very relevant.
1st: Red Bull = McLaren
3rd: Lotus = Ferrari = Mercedes


Engineering war: (Who is developing the best). Another really tricky one!
1st: McLaren? (This is based on reputation rather than hard evidence, since it is not yet clear to me).
2nd: Red Bull
3rd: Lotus = Williams = Ferrari

Best overtaker this quarter:
1st: Hamilton
2nd: Button = Vettel = Kobayashi


Best Qualifier:
1st: Hamilton (several others have been outstanding but the margins he is managing put him clearly ahead, in my mind)


Most efficient with the tyres (Team Wise):
1st: Sauber = Williams


The team that has screwed up the most: (This one's easier!)
1st: McLaren (by a margin!)
2nd: Ferrari (biggest drawback is driver line-up which should have been resolved before the season)


Mistakes aside, what order should the drivers be with regard to the WDC table?
1st: Hamilton
2nd: Button = Vettel
4th: Alonso = Webber = Räikkönen
 
Off the top of my head without any real contemplation...

Best Drivers:
1st: Alonso
2nd: Vettel
3rd: Raikkonen
4th: Hamilton
5th: I don't know... Maldonado


Worst Drivers:
1st: Massa
2nd: Karthikeyan
3rd: Schumacher
It's too hard to criticise anybody else.

Best Cars:
1st: McLaren
2nd: Lotus
3rd: Red Bull
4th: Mercedes
5th: Sauber


Engineering war: (Who is developing the best)
1st: Ferrari
2nd: Lotus
3rd: Williams
4th: Sauber
5th: Red Bull


Best overtaker this quarter:
1st: Raikkonen
2nd: Kobayashi
3rd: Button
4th: Alonso
5th: Hamilton


Best Qualifier:
1st: Hamilton
2nd: Alonso
3rd: Button
4th: Raikkonen
5th: Webber


Most efficient with the tyres (Team Wise):
1st: Sauber
2nd: Force India
3rd: Ferrari
4th: Williams
5th: Lotus


The team that has screwed up the most:
1st: Red Bull
2nd: Ferrari
3rd: HRT
4th: Caterham
5th: McLaren


Mistakes aside, what order should the drivers be with regard to the WDC table?
1st: Alonso
2nd: Vettel
3rd: Hamilton
4th: Button
5th: Raikkonen
 
I'm going to do the count up at mid day (12:00pm), so if anybody else want's to cast their opinion, now is a good time.
 
Results:

Best Drivers:
1st: Alonso (Landslide!)
2nd: Kimi (Close)
3rd: Vettel (Close)
4th: Hamilton (Close)
5th: Perez


Worst Drivers:
1st: Massa (By a fair distance)
2nd: Narain (Safe 2nd)
3rd: Schumacher (Safe 3rd)
4th: Hulkenberg
5th: Pic/Ricciardo (Tied)


Best Cars:
1st: McLaren (By a fair margin)
2nd: Lotus
3rd: RBR
4th: Mercedes
5th: Ferrari


Engineering war: (Who is developing the best)
1st: Lotus (Close)
2nd: Ferrari (Close)
3rd: Williams (Safe 3rd)
4th: Sauber
5th: RBR


Best overtaker this quarter:
1st: Kimi
2nd: Hamilton (Close)
3rd: Vettel (Close)
4th: Kobayashi (Close)
5th: Button


Best Qualifier:
1st: Hamilton (Landslide!)
2nd: Grojsean (Safe 2nd)
3rd: Alonso (Safe 3rd)
4th: Perez
5th: Kobayashi/Vettel (Tied)


Most efficient with the tyres (Team Wise):
1st: Sauber (By a distance)
2nd: Lotus
3rd: Williams (Close)
4th: Force India (Close)
5th: RBR


The team that has screwed up the most:
1st: McLaren (Landslide)
2nd: Lotus (Close)
3rd: Ferrari (Close)
4th: RBR (Close)
5th: HRT


Mistakes aside, what order should the drivers be with regard to the WDC table?
1st: Lewis (Landslide!)
2nd: Button (Close)
3rd: Vettel (Close)
4th: Kimi (Safe 4th)
5th: Webber


Same questions will come up after the Hungarian GP!
 
Thanks Silver! interesting results from Not606 as a whole. Would be interesting to see if there are changes after round 10
 
No trouble!

The second to last question with regard to screwing up, McLaren were mostly either 1st or 2nd choice genji while others weren't chosen all the time or they would be switching top to bottom while McLaren stayed up there most of the time. If I counted it right only 1 person (you genji) put them 5th, while the major majority were either 1st or 2nd.

Good idea, i'll wait until Hungary!
 
SilverArrow said:
The second to last question with regard to screwing up, McLaren were mostly either 1st or 2nd choice genji while others weren't chosen all the time or they would be switching top to bottom while McLaren stayed up there most of the time. If I counted it right only 1 person (you genji) put them 5th, while the major majority were either 1st or 2nd.
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Sorry, Silver - I didn't mean to imply that your counting was wrong. It just seems strange that people think they screwed up the most and that they built the best car.

I didn't mean to impugn your arithmetic. <ok>
 
genjigonzales said:
Sorry, Silver - I didn't mean to imply that your counting was wrong. It just seems strange that people think they screwed up the most and that they built the best car.

I didn't mean to impugn your arithmetic.
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Its like in 2005 when they had the fastest but most unreliable car or Red Bull 2009/10
 
genjigonzales said:
Sorry, Silver - I didn't mean to imply that your counting was wrong. It just seems strange that people think they screwed up the most and that they built the best car.

I didn't mean to impugn your arithmetic. <ok>
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No problem <ok>

Screw ups could mean, pit stops, stratergy, "fuel levels" and maybe a few other things.
 
genjigonzales said:
Sorry, Silver - I didn't mean to imply that your counting was wrong. It just seems strange that people think they screwed up the most and that they built the best car.
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Not really, 2(3) poles out of 5 races would suggest the have the best car, although it seems to be a different car every race, they have to take it overall.

The screw up award is different to worst team. They win it for having the best car, putting two world champions in it. Then somehow only winning one race (a while ago) while a comedy of errors ruin chances anywhere else.
 
The enigmatic McLaren results may be a good example of how easily a poll can be flawed by interpretation.

The word 'best' is necessarily subjective. It would appear that most people do not consider the human frailty &#8211; 'to screw up' (through error) &#8211; as being related to the material quality of a car itself, regardless of one's logic.

On a slightly different note, I will readily admit to a mistake in my answer for best developing team. Fortunately, my somewhat spurious vote was offset be the far more sensible majority opinion! (I cannot imagine why I said "McLaren". Bizarre!)&#8230;
 
Well bias will also take affect on influenceing results, so the more people who take part, the clearer the result.
 
Julius Caesar said:
The screw up award is different to worst team. They win it for having the best car, putting two world champions in it. Then somehow only winning one race (a while ago) while a comedy of errors ruin chances anywhere else.
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Sure but they didn't win "the best car" in a lottery, did they? They designed, engineered, assembled and tested that car. There have been some mistakes in the pit lane, of course, but compared to Red Bull who, from a position of comprehensive dominance and needing only to evolve into the 2012 regs, have spent five races pissing about with an on-again-off-again crossover tunnel and the nth iteration of an exhaust that doesn't appear to seal the diffuser (while Ferrari have worked their arses off turning a joke of a car into all but a race winner), or Mercedes, who built a Godzilla of a tyre-eater, I think McLaren have performed pretty well so far and have kept themselves in the hunt in spite of some pit lane clangers. Winning 'only' one race seems to be par for the course this season. I just think "the team" (as in "the team that has screwed up the most") isn't limited to pit lane players.
 
Genji, if you're going to take into account work done over the winter and in-season development work, the five teams who've screwed up the most would just be the bottom five constructors. Personally I wouldn't class not being the best as screwing up. I voted McLaren the team that has screwed up the most because they've made errors which they shouldn't be making, I gave them best car because I believe they have the best car. Not having a car as good as McLaren doesn't constitute screwing up in my opinion.

You also criticise Red Bull for their exhaust development, which is seemingly your basis for claiming they're the team who have screwed up the most, but they lead both championships. You also state they "only" needed to evolve the RB7 to the 2012 regulations, but the regulation changes took away two features of the RB7 which Red Bull were utilising better than other teams, the exhaust blown diffuser and the flexible front wing.
 
I find it odd that despite Alonso being voted the best driver, he does not appear in the top 5 in the WDC rankings!?

Come on, the Ferrari is not that bad!!
 
AbsolutelyGlorious said:
You also criticise Red Bull for their exhaust development, which is seemingly your basis for claiming they're the team who have screwed up the most, but they lead both championships. You also state they "only" needed to evolve the RB7 to the 2012 regulations, but the regulation changes took away two features of the RB7 which Red Bull were utilising better than other teams, the exhaust blown diffuser and the flexible front wing.
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I didn't actually say the exhaust problems are the basis for my opinion of Red Bull as "the team that has screwed up the most" and they lead both championships by pretty slender margins, which could disappear in the blink of an eye this season so let's wait and see what happens there. Inasmuch as the stress tests for the front wings have been increased you could argue that "flexible" front wings have been banned but in truth they've been banned for a long time. The tests never troubled Red Bull, though, and I don't think they'll trouble them this year if they can improve rear downforce enough to make it worthwhile. That leaves the EBD. I believe Newey called the RB8 an evolution, not a revolution, at its launch.

AbsolutelyGlorious said:
Genji, if you're going to take into account work done over the winter and in-season development work, the five teams who've screwed up the most would just be the bottom five constructors.
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Of course I take that into account. Who wouldn't? Another team didn't design and build the car for them, or develop it throughout testing. The five bottom constructors have massively limited resources in comparison with the top teams, fewer and less experienced personnel and inferior knowledge, tools and data. Maybe I'm alone in this but, given the huge budgets and skills in the top teams, I expect them not to screw up their car designs.

AbsolutelyGlorious said:
I voted McLaren the team that has screwed up the most because they've made errors which they shouldn't be making, I gave them best car because I believe they have the best car. Not having a car as good as McLaren doesn't constitute screwing up in my opinion.
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You're right - McLaren's errors should not have been made, just as Mercedes should have got Schumacher's wheel on properly and Vettel should have closed his DRS early under yellow flags the way Button did and Webber shouldn't have sat in his garage in Q2. The are many errors made in a race weekend - McLaren's are by no means excusable but they are just errors in the pit lane under pressure.

As I said, I just think the team is wider than the people who operate in the pressure cooker on a race weekend.
 
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