Best Drivers: 1st: Alonso 2nd: Vettel 3rd: Hamilton 4th: Raikkonen 5th: Grosjean Worst Drivers: 1st: Karthikeyan 2nd: Schumacher 3nd: Massa 4rd: Pic 5th: Hulkenburg Best Cars: 1st: McLaren 2nd: Lotus 3rd: Red Bull 4th: Mercedes 5th: Williams Engineering war: (Who is developing the best) 1st: Ferrari 2nd: Williams 3rd: Sauber 4th: Lotus 5th: Red Bull Best overtaker this quarter: 1st: Hamilton 2nd: Vettel 3rd: Alonso 4th: Kobayashi 5th: Grosjean Best Qualifier: 1st: Hamilton 2nd: Alonso 3rd: Perez 4th: Grosjean 5th: Rosberg Most efficient with the tyres (Team Wise): 1st: Force India 2nd: Williams 3rd: Sauber 4th: Ferrari 5th: Lotus The team that has screwed up the most: 1st: McLaren 2nd: HRT 3rd: Sauber 4th: Mercedes 5th: Lotus Mistakes aside, what order should the drivers be with regard to the WDC table? 1st: Hamilton 2nd: Button 3rd: Vettel 4th: Raikkonen 5th: Grosjean
Wow! What a question! Rarely has such a thread been so relevant. Some of these questions really are too close for me to call, particularly for best driver and best team, since the last is significant. I'd like to emphasise that my answers are not a reflection of allegiance or personal preference. Best Drivers: Very difficult to separate; but the final question is of the utmost relevance to this, as with best team. 1st: Hamilton 2nd: Alonso Very close between those two, but it gets even fuzzier for 3rd and beyond… Worst Drivers: 1st: Karthikeyan (To my mind, he really does not belong in F1) 2nd: Massa (as above; but at least there was a time when he did!) 3rd: Schumacher (as above) Best Cars: Too close to call. As with drivers, the final question is very relevant. 1st: Red Bull = McLaren 3rd: Lotus = Ferrari = Mercedes Engineering war: (Who is developing the best). Another really tricky one! 1st: McLaren? (This is based on reputation rather than hard evidence, since it is not yet clear to me). 2nd: Red Bull 3rd: Lotus = Williams = Ferrari Best overtaker this quarter: 1st: Hamilton 2nd: Button = Vettel = Kobayashi Best Qualifier: 1st: Hamilton (several others have been outstanding but the margins he is managing put him clearly ahead, in my mind) Most efficient with the tyres (Team Wise): 1st: Sauber = Williams The team that has screwed up the most: (This one's easier!) 1st: McLaren (by a margin!) 2nd: Ferrari (biggest drawback is driver line-up which should have been resolved before the season) Mistakes aside, what order should the drivers be with regard to the WDC table? 1st: Hamilton 2nd: Button = Vettel 4th: Alonso = Webber = Räikkönen
Off the top of my head without any real contemplation... Best Drivers: 1st: Alonso 2nd: Vettel 3rd: Raikkonen 4th: Hamilton 5th: I don't know... Maldonado Worst Drivers: 1st: Massa 2nd: Karthikeyan 3rd: Schumacher It's too hard to criticise anybody else. Best Cars: 1st: McLaren 2nd: Lotus 3rd: Red Bull 4th: Mercedes 5th: Sauber Engineering war: (Who is developing the best) 1st: Ferrari 2nd: Lotus 3rd: Williams 4th: Sauber 5th: Red Bull Best overtaker this quarter: 1st: Raikkonen 2nd: Kobayashi 3rd: Button 4th: Alonso 5th: Hamilton Best Qualifier: 1st: Hamilton 2nd: Alonso 3rd: Button 4th: Raikkonen 5th: Webber Most efficient with the tyres (Team Wise): 1st: Sauber 2nd: Force India 3rd: Ferrari 4th: Williams 5th: Lotus The team that has screwed up the most: 1st: Red Bull 2nd: Ferrari 3rd: HRT 4th: Caterham 5th: McLaren Mistakes aside, what order should the drivers be with regard to the WDC table? 1st: Alonso 2nd: Vettel 3rd: Hamilton 4th: Button 5th: Raikkonen
I'm going to do the count up at mid day (12:00pm), so if anybody else want's to cast their opinion, now is a good time.
Results: Best Drivers: 1st: Alonso (Landslide!) 2nd: Kimi (Close) 3rd: Vettel (Close) 4th: Hamilton (Close) 5th: Perez Worst Drivers: 1st: Massa (By a fair distance) 2nd: Narain (Safe 2nd) 3rd: Schumacher (Safe 3rd) 4th: Hulkenberg 5th: Pic/Ricciardo (Tied) Best Cars: 1st: McLaren (By a fair margin) 2nd: Lotus 3rd: RBR 4th: Mercedes 5th: Ferrari Engineering war: (Who is developing the best) 1st: Lotus (Close) 2nd: Ferrari (Close) 3rd: Williams (Safe 3rd) 4th: Sauber 5th: RBR Best overtaker this quarter: 1st: Kimi 2nd: Hamilton (Close) 3rd: Vettel (Close) 4th: Kobayashi (Close) 5th: Button Best Qualifier: 1st: Hamilton (Landslide!) 2nd: Grojsean (Safe 2nd) 3rd: Alonso (Safe 3rd) 4th: Perez 5th: Kobayashi/Vettel (Tied) Most efficient with the tyres (Team Wise): 1st: Sauber (By a distance) 2nd: Lotus 3rd: Williams (Close) 4th: Force India (Close) 5th: RBR The team that has screwed up the most: 1st: McLaren (Landslide) 2nd: Lotus (Close) 3rd: Ferrari (Close) 4th: RBR (Close) 5th: HRT Mistakes aside, what order should the drivers be with regard to the WDC table? 1st: Lewis (Landslide!) 2nd: Button (Close) 3rd: Vettel (Close) 4th: Kimi (Safe 4th) 5th: Webber Same questions will come up after the Hungarian GP!
Thanks Silver! interesting results from Not606 as a whole. Would be interesting to see if there are changes after round 10
No trouble! The second to last question with regard to screwing up, McLaren were mostly either 1st or 2nd choice genji while others weren't chosen all the time or they would be switching top to bottom while McLaren stayed up there most of the time. If I counted it right only 1 person (you genji) put them 5th, while the major majority were either 1st or 2nd. Good idea, i'll wait until Hungary!
Sorry, Silver - I didn't mean to imply that your counting was wrong. It just seems strange that people think they screwed up the most and that they built the best car. I didn't mean to impugn your arithmetic.
A fast car that doesn't finish races isn't the best car, though. Regarding "screw-ups": please log in to view this image
Not really, 2(3) poles out of 5 races would suggest the have the best car, although it seems to be a different car every race, they have to take it overall. The screw up award is different to worst team. They win it for having the best car, putting two world champions in it. Then somehow only winning one race (a while ago) while a comedy of errors ruin chances anywhere else.
The enigmatic McLaren results may be a good example of how easily a poll can be flawed by interpretation. The word 'best' is necessarily subjective. It would appear that most people do not consider the human frailty – 'to screw up' (through error) – as being related to the material quality of a car itself, regardless of one's logic. On a slightly different note, I will readily admit to a mistake in my answer for best developing team. Fortunately, my somewhat spurious vote was offset be the far more sensible majority opinion! (I cannot imagine why I said "McLaren". Bizarre!)…
Well bias will also take affect on influenceing results, so the more people who take part, the clearer the result.
Sure but they didn't win "the best car" in a lottery, did they? They designed, engineered, assembled and tested that car. There have been some mistakes in the pit lane, of course, but compared to Red Bull who, from a position of comprehensive dominance and needing only to evolve into the 2012 regs, have spent five races pissing about with an on-again-off-again crossover tunnel and the nth iteration of an exhaust that doesn't appear to seal the diffuser (while Ferrari have worked their arses off turning a joke of a car into all but a race winner), or Mercedes, who built a Godzilla of a tyre-eater, I think McLaren have performed pretty well so far and have kept themselves in the hunt in spite of some pit lane clangers. Winning 'only' one race seems to be par for the course this season. I just think "the team" (as in "the team that has screwed up the most") isn't limited to pit lane players.
Genji, if you're going to take into account work done over the winter and in-season development work, the five teams who've screwed up the most would just be the bottom five constructors. Personally I wouldn't class not being the best as screwing up. I voted McLaren the team that has screwed up the most because they've made errors which they shouldn't be making, I gave them best car because I believe they have the best car. Not having a car as good as McLaren doesn't constitute screwing up in my opinion. You also criticise Red Bull for their exhaust development, which is seemingly your basis for claiming they're the team who have screwed up the most, but they lead both championships. You also state they "only" needed to evolve the RB7 to the 2012 regulations, but the regulation changes took away two features of the RB7 which Red Bull were utilising better than other teams, the exhaust blown diffuser and the flexible front wing.
I find it odd that despite Alonso being voted the best driver, he does not appear in the top 5 in the WDC rankings!? Come on, the Ferrari is not that bad!!
I didn't actually say the exhaust problems are the basis for my opinion of Red Bull as "the team that has screwed up the most" and they lead both championships by pretty slender margins, which could disappear in the blink of an eye this season so let's wait and see what happens there. Inasmuch as the stress tests for the front wings have been increased you could argue that "flexible" front wings have been banned but in truth they've been banned for a long time. The tests never troubled Red Bull, though, and I don't think they'll trouble them this year if they can improve rear downforce enough to make it worthwhile. That leaves the EBD. I believe Newey called the RB8 an evolution, not a revolution, at its launch. Of course I take that into account. Who wouldn't? Another team didn't design and build the car for them, or develop it throughout testing. The five bottom constructors have massively limited resources in comparison with the top teams, fewer and less experienced personnel and inferior knowledge, tools and data. Maybe I'm alone in this but, given the huge budgets and skills in the top teams, I expect them not to screw up their car designs. You're right - McLaren's errors should not have been made, just as Mercedes should have got Schumacher's wheel on properly and Vettel should have closed his DRS early under yellow flags the way Button did and Webber shouldn't have sat in his garage in Q2. The are many errors made in a race weekend - McLaren's are by no means excusable but they are just errors in the pit lane under pressure. As I said, I just think the team is wider than the people who operate in the pressure cooker on a race weekend.
