What To Do About JB?
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Matt you don't half talk a load of rot.
If anyone could do with a bit of character reforming its you.
I try to reason everything and not overreact - is that so bad?
If you don't stop baiting me then I'll have to change my name to Swords Hoofster and dedicate my life to winding you up.
The high profile nature of the outrage at City should result in a disrepute charge levelled against Joey by the club. This, together with conduct charges relating to any incidents involving players or staff in the dressing room / training ground etc., should if proven negatively impact against certain clauses in his contract including duration, rewards etc. depending on how it's written.
Having said that, I'm a bit concerned that some of us may be over-reacting in judging Joey based on popularity and past reputation - in the same way as he initially over-reacted to Tevez causing the subsequent melodrama.
Reason I say this is because we had another Rangers player completely lose it years ago in a pre-season friendly(!) against Glasgow Rangers, to the extent of flooring an opponent via a full contact headbutt whilst being restricted by team mates following a brawl. Whilst the player was rightly sent off for the offence, he was not suspended or otherwise prevented from appearing in the starting line-up for the competitive games commencing the following week - and much to the relief of us fans!
The difference between these two cases is imo not so much in the moral outrage more easily reflected in today's accessible social-media; it is almost entirely contained in the names and reputations of the players concerned: Joey Barton now, Rodney Marsh then!
Bring it on!!
Having said that, I'm a bit concerned that some of us may be over-reacting in judging Joey based on popularity and past reputation - in the same way as he initially over-reacted to Tevez causing the subsequent melodrama.
Reason I say this is because we had another Rangers player completely lose it years ago in a pre-season friendly(!) against Glasgow Rangers, to the extent of flooring an opponent via a full contact headbutt whilst being restricted by team mates following a brawl. Whilst the player was rightly sent off for the offence, he was not suspended or otherwise prevented from appearing in the starting line-up for the competitive games commencing the following week - and much to the relief of us fans!
The difference between these two cases is imo not so much in the moral outrage more easily reflected in today's accessible social-media; it is almost entirely contained in the names and reputations of the players concerned: Joey Barton now, Rodney Marsh then!
Bring it on!!
My vote was to sell - but not for this latest outburst.
Of all the 'high profile' signings this past year, Joey Barton has been the one that has disappointed most against the expectations of the fans. He's a very, very good footballer, but really hasn't shown it at all.
All the others have all at least met our expectations. Cisse has been explosive, and if he calms down a little, will easily net 25 goals next season if the service continues. Diakite had a lot of pressure on him after his ACoN performances, and has not let us down. Zamora has run himself into the ground, albeit for little end result, DJ and Bothroyd have both tried (DJ was unlucky through injury, Bothroyd has been unlucky through being a carthorse of Hulse proportions) and nobody can deny that Dyer has done exactly what we expected him to do.
But we all expected more on the pitch from Barton, and his application, his dedication, and his delivery have all been lacking. And for that reason alone, he's the one I'd be happy to see off the payroll.
Of all the 'high profile' signings this past year, Joey Barton has been the one that has disappointed most against the expectations of the fans. He's a very, very good footballer, but really hasn't shown it at all.
All the others have all at least met our expectations. Cisse has been explosive, and if he calms down a little, will easily net 25 goals next season if the service continues. Diakite had a lot of pressure on him after his ACoN performances, and has not let us down. Zamora has run himself into the ground, albeit for little end result, DJ and Bothroyd have both tried (DJ was unlucky through injury, Bothroyd has been unlucky through being a carthorse of Hulse proportions) and nobody can deny that Dyer has done exactly what we expected him to do.
But we all expected more on the pitch from Barton, and his application, his dedication, and his delivery have all been lacking. And for that reason alone, he's the one I'd be happy to see off the payroll.
Not looking clear cut by any means:
QUEEN'S Park Rangers want to dismiss Joey Barton, whom they expect to be banned for up to 11 games following his conduct at Manchester City on Sunday, though the lucrative terms of his long-term contract will make the cost of doing so a staggering £12.5million.
The Rangers manager, Mark Hughes, who is understood to have found Barton just as difficult to work with as did his predecessor, Neil Warnock, may have to soldier on with Barton on the club's books, despite some of the midfielder's team-mates finding his presence to be destabilising.
Barton was signed last summer under a deal which sees him command a wage of £80,000 a week and which has three years left to run.
Hughes must decide whether to push for Barton's sale, though that may remove a large slice of the budget available for the manager to make good on his promise that Rangers will not flirt with relegation while he is in charge.
Barton, who was yesterday charged with two acts of violent conduct by the FA, is expected to receive a minimum four-game ban, though it will more probably be between nine and 11 games out. A three-man FA commission will rule on the case by the end of the week, even if Barton accepted his chance to appeal by 6pm tonight.
Rangers have begun discussions with disciplinary specialists, though they are aware of the difficulty in sacking players - even Carlos Tevez's unauthorised leave of absence was insufficient to bring that course of action at City this season. Barton was dismissed for elbowing Tevez. He also kneed City's Sergio Aguero in the back of the leg and attempted to headbutt the City captain, Vincent Kompany.
Barton's use of Twitter is not likely to land him in further trouble. After the BBC's Alan Shearer and Gary Lineker criticised his behaviour at the Etihad Stadium, Barton made a series of posts which concluded with him referring to Shearer as a "sh*t pundit/manager..."
Some members of the squad believe that it was the decision to sign marquee names such as him that caused Rangers so much trouble this season.
QUEEN'S Park Rangers want to dismiss Joey Barton, whom they expect to be banned for up to 11 games following his conduct at Manchester City on Sunday, though the lucrative terms of his long-term contract will make the cost of doing so a staggering £12.5million.
The Rangers manager, Mark Hughes, who is understood to have found Barton just as difficult to work with as did his predecessor, Neil Warnock, may have to soldier on with Barton on the club's books, despite some of the midfielder's team-mates finding his presence to be destabilising.
Barton was signed last summer under a deal which sees him command a wage of £80,000 a week and which has three years left to run.
Hughes must decide whether to push for Barton's sale, though that may remove a large slice of the budget available for the manager to make good on his promise that Rangers will not flirt with relegation while he is in charge.
Barton, who was yesterday charged with two acts of violent conduct by the FA, is expected to receive a minimum four-game ban, though it will more probably be between nine and 11 games out. A three-man FA commission will rule on the case by the end of the week, even if Barton accepted his chance to appeal by 6pm tonight.
Rangers have begun discussions with disciplinary specialists, though they are aware of the difficulty in sacking players - even Carlos Tevez's unauthorised leave of absence was insufficient to bring that course of action at City this season. Barton was dismissed for elbowing Tevez. He also kneed City's Sergio Aguero in the back of the leg and attempted to headbutt the City captain, Vincent Kompany.
Barton's use of Twitter is not likely to land him in further trouble. After the BBC's Alan Shearer and Gary Lineker criticised his behaviour at the Etihad Stadium, Barton made a series of posts which concluded with him referring to Shearer as a "sh*t pundit/manager..."
Some members of the squad believe that it was the decision to sign marquee names such as him that caused Rangers so much trouble this season.
Agree and posted the below on another JB thread but I'm losing track of them all!
Barton was a twat with what he did but there are a load of issues around this for me, yet we are quick to judge in isolation -
1. We sit and judge and say we wouldn't react if we were firstly kicked and then punched with a left hook (honestly can't say I wouldn't react!)
2. Because it was JB the media and FA have totally ignored any retrospective action against Tevez when he clearly fits the criteria.
3. We moan about Ashley Young diving then say that JB should have dropped to the ground like a sack of ****
4. This is a game with millions of pounds riding on it and prospect of relegation. Having been kicked and punched first, then seen only he gets the red card, he'd have known the abuse and attention he gets would be coming. Frankly i'd have possibly lost it too!
I don't think things are black and white. I'd like to see him stripped of the captaincy, fined heavily and made to work hard as a squad player. He has had some very good games for us and owes us big time. He could be very useful as a smaller player in a bigger pond of talent next year. My only proviso is that I don't know how the team react to him and that is for MH to assess. If he has their support he stays, if he is disruptive then MH needs to off load.
His head wasn't focused on pitch matters for the bulk of last season - not until he realised his livelihood was threatened by relegation - so why should it be any different next season? And there's a good chance if he has a permanent place in the team, he'll get at least a couple of red cards per season sending us down to 10 men in vital matches. Opposing teams will aim to wind him up.
He's a continuing liability - get rid
He's a continuing liability - get rid
I totally respect your point of view, Matt. I hope I forgive people who make mistakes, but this has been over and over again throughout his career. I hope he is getting help for his alcohol/ anger issues but he has been given enough last chances in my opinion. His lack of contrition (evidenced on Twitter) make his presence in the dressing room a bad influence and I can't see how he can play for us again. (Hope that doesn't make me sound like an uncaring Nazi!)
why is everyone ignoring Tevez's role in the Barton saga?
Yes Barton over reacted, but the red mist came in after the sending off really. The elbow to Tevez happens in the Prem all the time
I think a lot of the reaction here is purely down to it being Barton
If it had been rooney, ther would have been excuses and no action
Yes Barton over reacted, but the red mist came in after the sending off really. The elbow to Tevez happens in the Prem all the time
I think a lot of the reaction here is purely down to it being Barton
If it had been rooney, ther would have been excuses and no action
I try to reason everything and not overreact - is that so bad?
If you don't stop baiting me then I'll have to change my name to Swords Hoofster and dedicate my life to winding you up.
Consider my attacks retracted. I'm in full retreat. I couldn't handle another one of you!!!
