Quite right Guru
No you're absolutely right, all we'll have is a season of developing players with no PL experience into better players and a better knowledge of how to play PL football. oh and an improved squad, you're right we right in the ****e
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No you're absolutely right, all we'll have is a season of developing players with no PL experience into better players and a better knowledge of how to play PL football. oh and an improved squad, you're right we right in the ****e
now you see i agree with much of that, because it inevitably will be harder, and i doubt any of us think we are in any way established, but there is little or no evidence to suggest, at this moment in time, that we are somehow in free fall and will even get sucked into a relegation battle next year, let alone be down with a record points low! you're all so desperate for us to fail that you jump on any little thing you can in the hope that it'll come true. its quite daft really...
if we finish 17th next season, that'll be success - it really is very simple. we have to stay up. that's a lot easier than trying to get up AND stay up. we've already done that. 2nd season syndrome is what you are going to be banging on about but its been shown before that its actually quite a rare thing for a team to be relegated in their 2nd season. so don't be so sure that we'll be in trouble. we only need to finish above three teams to be successful next season - you lot have got to finish above 22 others to guarantee yourselves success.
Not have any momentum? Seriously wtf? I'm sorry and don't want to offend but that's just utter drivel
Not strictly true Supers. If you visit their board. Apparently PJ has said that succeess does not mean just getting in the play offs or even promotion. If I remember correctly, JWM started that thread and he seemd a tad put out by it.
Well ok, you have momentum but its of the losing variaty at the moment, look at it like this if you lose your last 2 matches (which you could well do) thats 5 defeats on the trot, that means getting a win early doors and if the fixture list hands you a hard start. mentally it would be very tough!
you do realise that results don't roll over into next season don't you?
i mean, i see what you're saying but we'll almost certainly have half a new team come august - it'll be irrelevant. it'll be more about getting them all settled as much as anything.
Bollocks!
We start next season with fresh impetus - with new players and players that have improved from this season. You're obsessed with us getting badly relegated next season. What the hell will you do if next season pans out the same as this one? Say the same moronic thing at the end of next season when we lose three games on the bounce for the first time in that season?
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does that mean that ITFC have momentum going into next season as they beat Donny rovers last game? hmmm
yes, but they failed to win their previous five, so they are dead certs for relegation in my book
But the mentally will not change supers, if you are so blinkered to think just bringing in fresh players changes that then you are more deluded than i first thought. the pressure will be on, supporters will not forget the end of the season defeats, the negativity will rise even quicker and that will pass on to the players new or old.
Trust me, if anybody should know of negativity its an Ipswich fan at the moment, because dispite all our failings at least we aren't blinkered by the rose tinted glasses, we know we are ****e at the moment and we will also know when we have improved. A wise man once said, Knowing your failings is the only way to know your true improvement!
I have never read such a crock of ****e. Momentum can be defined and harnessed in many different ways. The momentum from promotion counted for jack **** at the beginning of this season, nervy performances, lack of tactical nouse, etc which was developed over the course of the season, that's what counts, if you think that you can't develop a positive attitude in a club over a pre season then that is a deluded view. Really not sure why I am even bothering to answer.
I tell you, it's amazing what a quote from Paul lambert re-iterating what he said in January about money and the premier league and a picture in the edp of him looking miserable(because he doesn't like to lose) can do.
The pinkun forum, as you probably expected, has exploded in negativity.
The pinkun forum, as you probably expected, has exploded in negativity.
Just to as a side note, just look at the sides that have gone up and the first half of the season really took it to the big boys. Hull and Blackpool are prime examples of the benefit of positive momentum, yet when that momentum stops they couldn't buy a win.
Fact is Guru, most of us on here know we're punching above our weight at the minute but we're enjoying the ride. I for one am certainly under no illusion that should we stay up next year it will be an even greater acheivement than this season. I do however, believe we will do so with PL in charge.
the usual cloak and daggers here on money, and managing supporters expectations
some serious nonsense being spouted here by guru. the pressure is ALWAYS on! every fan knows that the club have to get to 40 points as quickly as possible and that shall remain the task for the foreseeable future. absolutely nothing has changed from the fans point of view. if suddenly we got taken over by a sheik, THEN it would change. the end of the season was always going to be difficult but because we did the job in the first half of the season it doesn't matter - it'll be the same again next season. if it goes to the final game so be it, but we won't suddenly expect to challenge at the top of the table! improvement on this season will be our aim but the ultimate aim for next season and those which follow is ALWAYS stay in the league.
Fact is Guru, most of us on here know we're punching above our weight at the minute but we're enjoying the ride. I for one am certainly under no illusion that should we stay up next year it will be an even greater acheivement than this season. I do however, believe we will do so with PL in charge.
actually Kickoff, I totally agree with you that staying up the second season is a bigger achievement. Your tactics (whichever you employ) are more well known, your strengths and more importantly weaknesses will be found out and its down to you. In short you won't be the 'unknown' anymore, and you success or failure is down to pure talent or lack of!
you do realise we haven't suffered a slide like these teams don't you? check out ALL our results since christmas and we sit mid-table in the form guide. we don't rely on one or two key players like those sides did and thats why we have never been in any danger at all this season. we have strength in depth and this will be built upon with yet more quality this summer. momentum, as said above, did us no good early in the season when we struggled to adapt to the league. it was only once we'd got accustomed to the league that results came along. the only momentum we built up came throughout the season, not before it, therefore it won't affect next year either. had we lost our previous 15 games then you might have a point but you are yet again grasping at tiny, tiny straws
this is precisely the reason why i don't think we will be found out. lambert chops and changes so much that not even our own fans can predict what he will do next game! its that kind of mystery that keeps us an unknown quantity. swansea are more likely to be found out because we found them out this season and they had no escape from their own half. if others copy our approach to playing them then they'll have to adapt. we however, can adjust during matches - we can pass it - we passed swansea off the park (twice), we've bullied teams, we can play long and short, with width or narrow... we are very difficult to read and that gives us an advantage