Karthikeyan gets a penalty

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Who's fault was it?

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I think it looks different from different angles. NK shouldn't be anywhere near him though. He wasn't fighting for position with someone around him, he was trundling about 7seconds off the pace, so the least he could do is to get the F*** off the racing line.... off the track of need be. So what if he spins, he can get going again.
 
It's simple, copy the Le Mans rule with regard to slower cars in front.

The slower car stays on the racing line and it's up to the faster car to go off the racing line for the overtake, tough **** which corner it is
 
[video=youtube;w4eMjvZSdCg]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w4eMjvZSdCg[/video]

Vettel didn't cut across him. You can see from the front on angle that Karthikeyan veers dramatically to his right, it almost looked deliberate. He said he was trying to avoid marbles, I don't know what made him think a racing car would be easier to drive over. <doh>
 
I thought it was pretty clear cut. Vettel swept past him towards the racing line and Karthikeyan correctly tried to tuck in behind but incorrectly tucked in too early. Karthikeyan turned off his line to pick up Vettel's tow and Vettel didn't expect him to so continued sweeping out wide. I think Vettel could have been a bit more cautious but it was Karthikeyan's fault and he deserved the penalty. I'd have to watch the Hamilton/Kobayashi incident again to be sure but from memory Hamilton cut across because he didn't expect Kobayashi to still be there and had his eyes on the apex but Kobayashi didn't make the turn into Hamilton that Karthikeyan made into Vettel.
 
What's the point of giving him a penalty? He's coming last anyway! Give him a reprimand for the next race if you're going to penalize him at all. I woudn't be surprised to see Karthikeyan get black-flagged some time this season.
 
I know this might be a very low blow and a bit out of taste for my liking, but if people can call conspiracy theories that are quite laughable with regard to Sauber I should stick this one out as well.

Have there been any "irregular" bettings on Vettel to not finish in the points, in India?

Since I'm quite nieve with regard to India, do they have the same issue's as lets say, Pakistan with cricket? They're pretty much nextdoor...

It's just F1 brings up a lot of suprises and I wouldn't be amazed if it was the case.
 
SilverArrow said:
I know this might be a very low blow and a bit out of taste for my liking, but if people can call conspiracy theories that are quite laughable with regard to Sauber I should stick this one out as well.

Have there been any "irregular" bettings on Vettel to not finish in the points, in India?

Since I'm quite nieve with regard to India, do they have the same issue's as lets say, Pakistan with cricket? They're pretty much nextdoor...

It's just F1 brings up a lot of suprises and I wouldn't be amazed if it was the case.
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Gambling's illegal in India so no one knows, that's why they can get away with fixing events, the bookies can't complain without getting arrested. I also don't think there's any fixing going on here, anyone betting on this would have to rely on Karthikeyan's HRT remaining in the race long enough to do some damage, I think you'd get longer odds on Karthikeyan lasting 46 laps than you would Vettel finishing out of the points. <laugh>
 
Bob Bobbinz said:
Sorry, 43 pages to a thread is just too much on a Monday morning ;-)
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Very true. I confess to having struggled with several of the longer threads myself when looking for specifics within them.

As for the incident itself, in my opinion Vettel is not entirely blameless. For this reason, my opinion is that it should have been deemed a so-called 'racing incident'. This is my reasoning - and it may resonate somewhat, with a previous incident…


  • Karthikeyan knew he was being passed and attempted to get back into Vettel's tow as quickly as possible (as any racing driver would). In doing so, he may have expected Vettel to clear him slightly more quickly, thereby avoiding the collision. Here, it should be seen that, if what I have said is correct, it has involved an assumption from Karthikeyan which proved to be incorrect.


  • Vettel thought he had been seen and would make the pass with a compliant driver of a slower car who is well acquainted with being passed. However, he could have allowed more room to account for a potential misjudgement from the less experienced Karthikeyan. In not giving a little more room, it should be seen that if what I have said here is correct, it has involved an assumption from Vettel which proved to be incorrect.
= Racing incident.
Do people remember another incident where the Red Bull team attempted to lay the blame of a certain incident which destroyed their (favoured?) driver's race 100% at the feet of their other (less favoured?) driver? In my opinion, Vettel needs to be more circumspect with his 'assumptions' of the actions of others including allowing for perceived deficiencies of a poor driver in a slow car from a weak team.

Karthikeyan's penalty is, in my view, unduly harsh. As I have suggested in the thread where this was first discussed, I believe that the Red Bull management and their team's status within F1 heavily outweighed an easily bullied weakling on this occasion - even if this particular victim was not entirely innocent. I am disappointed at the FIA being so compliant with persuasive heavyweights, and believe they arrived at a disproportionately harsh decision.
 
Cannot see anything in there that suggests it was Karthikeyan's fault, he moves ever so slightly to the right but it's not like Vettel doesn't have plenty of track and two mirrors at his disposal.

Identical incident to Hamilton/Kobayashi at Spa, and once again the driver in the faster car is at fault.
 
This is getting a more common incident of cars swiping the back of others becuase they are not entirely sure where the endplates of the front wing are. Hamilton/Massa at Singaopre is another example. No malice but a slight misjudgement and even slighter contact meant puncture for one, new wing for the other.

Is it about time they changed the regulations so the drivers can actually see the front of their cars? They sit so low they can barely see above the bulkhead. Either the height of the bulkhead needs to be reduced, or the overall height of the cars increased so the drivers helmet is still under the bottom part of the roll-hoop but they must be sat at a minimum angle so they are more upright.
 
allsaintchris said:
This is getting a more common incident of cars swiping the back of others becuase they are not entirely sure where the endplates of the front wing are. Hamilton/Massa at Singaopre is another example. No malice but a slight misjudgement and even slighter contact meant puncture for one, new wing for the other.

Is it about time they changed the regulations so the drivers can actually see the front of their cars? They sit so low they can barely see above the bulkhead. Either the height of the bulkhead needs to be reduced, or the overall height of the cars increased so the drivers helmet is still under the bottom part of the roll-hoop but they must be sat at a minimum angle so they are more upright.
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I agree. They made a mess of the regulations this year, the cars look awful and the Ferrari nose is actually higher than last year, and I'm sure others are as well.
 
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