How times have changed

[Jayram_Football]

Actually, you're wrong again Robin.

I've pointed out plenty of areas where I think we need to improve.

You have, I agree - but the fact remains we are not improving in any of those areas, and yet you are willing to carry on with the current management team who are responsible, and are openly critical of anyone who says a word against Wenger.

 

[PINKIE]

Actually our home record is quite good this season. Doubtless Spurs are the better side at this point in time but remember, form counts for nothing in a derby.

The NLD does tend to throw up some interesting results.

I'm concerned that we've picked up yet more injuries in defence - no matter what anyone says, we have had terrible luck with injuries.

Let's hope that being at home, on a decent pitch means that we can actually play to our strengths.

 

[PINKIE]

You have, I agree - but the fact remains we are not improving in any of those areas, and yet you are willing to carry on with the current management team who are responsible, and are openly critical of anyone who says a word against Wenger.

Not at all. It's easy to criticise when things aren't going well, but not all of it is accurate, so that's where I point out what I don't agree with.

It's not a black and white argument. Blind faith vs Doom Mongers. Some people over simplify the argument.

 

[Mantis]

The NLD does tend to throw up some interesting results.

I'm concerned that we've picked up yet more injuries in defence - no matter what anyone says, we have had terrible luck with injuries.

Let's hope that being at home, on a decent pitch means that we can actually play to our strengths.

Koscielny will be back hopefully to partner Vermaelen. I hope they have a better game than they did against Milan. Let's face it, if we lose to Spurs on our home ground, thus allowing them to do the double over us, it will be the lowest point of this season. Even worse than the 8-2 massacre. There can be no redemption from this. Not only will we not have a chance of overtaking them, all the teams behind us will overtake us and our season will descend in complete and utter misery (not that it isn't close to it already).

 

[Jayram_Football]

Not at all. It's easy to criticise when things aren't going well, but not all of it is accurate, so that's where I point out what I don't agree with.

It's not a black and white argument. Blind faith vs Doom Mongers. Some people over simplify the argument.

I think you are right there. It is harder to criticise when things are not so bad (although a few like myself did spot the issues a long time before they were accepted as issues).

I still dont understand how you can be so critical of people who want Wenger out though. Given our current position its a valid course of action to sack Wenger.

 

[PINKIE]

I think you are right there. It is harder to criticise when things are not so bad (although a few like myself did spot the issues a long time before they were accepted as issues).

I still dont understand how you can be so critical of people who want Wenger out though. Given our current position its a valid course of action to sack Wenger.

My personal opinion is that if we sacked Wenger now, we'd not be able to replace him with anyone better. The rest of our season would likely implode and we'd probably lose players like Wilshere, Oxo and RVP as a result and end up in an even bigger mess.

For all the woes of this season, we're still 4th.

 

[Jayram_Football]

My personal opinion is that if we sacked Wenger now, we'd not be able to replace him with anyone better. The rest of our season would likely implode and we'd probably lose players like Wilshere, Oxo and RVP as a result and end up in an even bigger mess.

For all the woes of this season, we're still 4th.

As much as I would like to see him go now, in calmer moments I do think him 'moving upstairs' at the end of the season is a more measured approach. That way he can stay at the club and keep his relationship with some of the players - who might leave if he was fired.

 

[PINKIE]

As much as I would like to see him go now, in calmer moments I do think him 'moving upstairs' at the end of the season is a more measured approach. That way he can stay at the club and keep his relationship with some of the players - who might leave if he was fired.

I think the Wenger and club will need to do some deep soul searching at the end of the season.

It's clearly not good enough at the moment and we need to make some radical changes.

For me, it would be keeping Wenger as manager, but bringing in some support for him (financial, negotiating transfers, and a defensive coach) and allowing him to concentrate purely on football, instead of having to balance the books and make excuses for the board.

 

[TheTruthHurts]

there you go again giving anoher negative view of arsenal post wenger .. why if wenger goes do we lose those players?, surely they are loyal to arsenal and their contracts and will play for another manager?

what ever mess we have one man and one man alone has created it ... he took the applause for the wins ... reap the whirlwind son reap the whirlwind. if he stays were in a mess if he goes were in a mess .. sort of sounds messy me thinks .. thanks wenger thanks a bunch

GG players stayed and played for a new manager why not this dross?, the fact is we dont want 80% of the players wenger hangs his hat on to stay, we want the quality ones but they are a rare breed these days .. oxo was at southapton 6months ago now all of a sudden wenger is a genius?, get the southampton guys who coahced him and say well done lads as you gave us a potentially great player .. not bad after 7yrs rebuilding we have one pop in the last month yippeee

if a player only wants to play for wenger and that inc oxo rvp or wilshire then instead of the people carrier we need to order a bus to take them all away .. we as a club will be better of without they kind of misplaced and negative loylaty. if adams seaman et all said sod this i wont play for anyone but GG then we would have no wenger to talk about period, GG created class pros for the club .. if you think these guys only want to play for wenger .. shame on them

as a club in decline we wont get the barca or real managers come to us but we can always dream .. if wenger went and pep strolled in what player would say .. i wont play for him? .... fact is wengers created such a situation as to us looking at mgrs like moyes or even boltons boss as guys to come in realistically .. decent guys for sure, not knocking them at all .. winners?, yeah right wengers is a losing manager now, created a losing mentality and that wont get great mgrs or great players to N5 know thats now N17 i'm afraid ...

i think we should go for redknapp and 12 months ago i would never have said that .... he can spend he can wheeler deal his made of teflon and he talks straight how refreshing this guy would be if we got him, but why would he downgrade now??

 

[District Line]

Once again I agree with Jayram because we are in the same boat re: Spurs.

3 years ago or even 2 I would have been eagerly anticipating beating Spurs at home, now I am dreading it.

No Arsenal fan can genuinely expect to win Sunday, you can hope but not expect.

 

[Jayram_Football]

I think the Wenger and club will need to do some deep soul searching at the end of the season.

It's clearly not good enough at the moment and we need to make some radical changes.

For me, it would be keeping Wenger as manager, but bringing in some support for him (financial, negotiating transfers, and a defensive coach) and allowing him to concentrate purely on football, instead of having to balance the books and make excuses for the board.

If Wenger brought in a defensive coaching team - as well as sacking most of his senior current coaching staff (Primovic is his buddy who has been hanging around like a bad smell for far far too long), throws out the deadwood, and invests significantly in top players, then I would support him.

I like him as a person because he has integrity, but unless he completely overhauls the playing and coaching staff in the summer he needs to go.

 

[PINKIE]

i think we should go for redknapp and 12 months ago i would never have said that .... he can spend he can wheeler deal his made of teflon and he talks straight how refreshing this guy would be if we got him, but why would he downgrade now??

This reminds me of Alan Sugar's famous quote about Mourinho - 'I'd like to see how bloody special he would be down at Leyton Orient'

 

[Bergkamp a Dutch master]

I think its gone too far - the man is stubbornness personified.

 

[Bergkamp a Dutch master]

This reminds me of Alan Sugar's famous quote about Mourinho - 'I'd like to see how bloody special he would be down at Leyton Orient'

and true for Wenger at the Orient.

 

[TheTruthHurts]

in less time then its taken wenger to make us decline this guyhas made spurs something we recall as history ... if you think he would suffer alumia squil walcott archavin etc etc then

i'd like to see wenger at leyton oreint and see what he does ... how about that before joking about redknapp or the spl one .... what would wenger do without a great core of players to build on? .. i think he may well take the o's down to be honest and a few water bottles would get hurt on the way.

 

[PINKIE]

If Wenger brought in a defensive coaching team - as well as sacking most of his senior current coaching staff (Primovic is his buddy who has been hanging around like a bad smell for far far too long), throws out the deadwood, and invests significantly in top players, then I would support him.

I like him as a person because he has integrity, but unless he completely overhauls the playing and coaching staff in the summer he needs to go.

I think Pat Rice might retire at the end of the season. I'd like to see Steve Bould step into his role.

I think Wenger has been trying to do too much to be honest. He's stubbon as hell, but to be fair, it's served him well over the years so you can see why he's had to adopt a bit of a siege mentality. However, recently he's been carrying the weight of the whole club on his shoulders, having to defend the board's financial stance, players that he's tried to develop but who haven't made the grade, the inability to buy top players, having to sell our best players - it's a wonder he hasn't blown his top before now.

I think he needs some support. For me the key player in this is David Dein. He is Wenger's right hand man.

 

[TheTruthHurts]

he is a great manager who single hadned built a stadium and won 7 trophies in his first 9yrs ... he is god he is great .. why do he need support now ? .. is it becuase he is struggling ... getting it all wrong?, can't hack it anymore?

whole weight of the club on his sholuders.. how deluded is all this ......... its defence comments with no substence .. like a wenger press conf to be fair ... if he has not asked for help during this incredible feat of human endeavour shame on him, most boss (good ones) know when to ask for help and when to delegate .. you have (if your right) proved he is not up for the job

your direct line to the clubs finances and protocal is something the hrmc would only dream of ... the club have said the funds exisit, wenger is on record as saying he has funds ... but he wont spend any of it ... horses mouth or horse manure you decide ..

wenger needs help .. lmao .. understatment of the century ..... if he can't make the right decision then real bosses need to make it for him. and quickly

 

[Swamp]

jay, you say spurs have a better team than arsenal.....maybe first 11, but they have very little back up, and i actually think arsenals strongest 11 is at least the equal of spurs..

friedel
walker king kaboul assou ekotto
lennon parker modric bale
vaart
adebayor

szszezny
sagna vermaelen koscielny santos
arteta song wilshere
walcott gervinho
van persie

first of all they will lose their best attacker next season (adebayor) plus bale will leave in the next 18 months, modric wants to leave for chelsea... and there is a good chance they will lose their manager.... are things as rosy as people would have you think? no..

when arsenal get their first 11 out its a top 4 team at least, when you start to lose 5-6 key first team players and you have to resort to playing youth players out of position, its a bit silly to then compare starting 11's of a team that has been incredibly lucky with injuries this season...

 

[Krispur61]

Sorry to say this but yes times have changed and reading all these comments such as ‘form counts for nothing in a derby’ is what spurs fans have been saying all those years ago leading up to the derby and the fact i look at the Arsenal team sheet and go no chance but if we can scrap a draw that a very good result.

I don’t want to curse my team by saying we are going to win as it’s a derby and it’s at Arsenal but your team does not look scary at all these days before the teams play you they would look at the arsenal lineup and go ‘Bugger no chance’ now they look at the lineup and think we can win this, you have lost that fear factor and teams know how to play you.

Sit back let arsenal pass the ball around and hit em on the counter and make sure RVP doesn’t touch the ball and 3 points are ours…. You have now, Pires, Fabregas and Nasri who where class and tbh great players that always delivered in the important matchs…..

Here’s to a great Derby…………..oh how times have changed….

 

[Robin van Bergkamp]

My personal opinion is that if we sacked Wenger now, we'd not be able to replace him with anyone better. The rest of our season would likely implode and we'd probably lose players like Wilshere, Oxo and RVP as a result and end up in an even bigger mess.

For all the woes of this season, we're still 4th.

For all the woes of this season it could be said we were in three competitions this time last month or this time last week.

It means nothing that we are still in 4th and will only have positive and significant relevance to us if we are there at the end of the season. Just as being 17th meant nothing in October, being 4th in February on goal difference is hardly here nor there and should if anything, be a worrying aspect of our game.

Nothing much to be joyful about or take comfort in.