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littleDinosaurLuke said:
Not bias, Schteff.

Some of the examples you gave were mistakes by the ref, others showed lack of character. Like players, some refs bottle difficult decisions, especially ones that will probably determine the outcome of a game.

Kompany should have been sent off. He lost his appeal. Whether or not the tackle would have gone unpunished without Rooney's intervention is immaterial. The correct decision was made. No favouritism. The travesty would have been for an incorrect decision to have been made and the ref called to task for failing to act.

Refs are human . Most do well to get as many decisions as they do correct. It's bad enough that people expect them to have superhuman perception. They don't need to be accused of being partisan as well, because it's not true.
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They're not mistakes, I deliberately chose decisions that can not be construed as mistakes. The ref cannot change his mind because a player complains so Rooney's reaction is not immaterial and shows bias. It's not a mistake when a ref ignores the rules it's bias, unless you're going to suggest he pulled out the wrong card or forgot the rules.
 
littleDinosaurLuke said:
PNP, the only bias was self serving. Clattenburg was trying to justify his own actions. Why would he show pro-United bias?
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How did Clattenburg benefit from making himself look like a total clown, Lidls?
He ****ed up on the pitch and then compounded his mistake by making a totally indefensible post-match decision.
How he wasn't dropped after that is beyond me, frankly.

Why would he show pro-United bias?
So that he gets to keep reffing your games and doesn't get called fat or blind by Ferguson, probably.
 
littleDinosaurLuke said:
True, NSIS. SAF said this weekend that it needs to be made clear if two footed tackles of that kind have been outlawed or not. Kompany's wasn't controversial because it was reckless and studs were showing; in short, a potential leg breaker.

PNP, the only bias was self serving. Clattenburg was trying to justify his own actions. Why would he show pro-United bias?
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Sorry, entirely disagree. Nobody is more willing to act like he's been shot than Nani. Yet, he uttered not a word of protest. If Rooney hadn't intervened, waving imaginary cards, etc; then the likelihood is that no action would have been taken. There is a mistaken belief that there is an official ruling stating that two footed tackles are an automatic red card - there is no such ruling. In my view, Kompany's tackle was a good one - neither reckless, nor dangerous.
 
Failing to acknowledge a clear mistake is not a positive thing, Lidls.
That clearly doesn't help him and claiming that he made the right decision makes it worse.
Nobody would agree with what he did, so he wouldn't have helped himself with the assessors.

Rooney clearly did influence the ref, as he didn't even blow for a foul til Shrek got in his face.
Reminded me of this:

[video=youtube;RfHjqDOuflM]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RfHjqDOuflM[/video]

Oh, look who it is.
Mr Unbiased himself.
"What's that, Stevie? You think that it should be a red? Oh, ok. Right you are."
 
littleDinosaurLuke said:
Now you're all ganging up on me <wah>

PNP, it was self serving not to acknowledge a mistake. Clattenburg is clearly thick skinned and is prepared to ride the storm. When has he ever backed down?

Schteff, the Kompany decision was upheld as being right. Why is the ref seen as being unduly influenced by Rooney then?

NSIS, the Kompany decision was upheld as being right. A player is bound to react differently if he rides a tackle rather than taking the impact and potentially suffering serious injury.
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Of course the decision was upheld. There was little other choice. As I pointed out, under the current ruling, these are decisions made entirely at the referee's discretion. Unless the decision was blatantly incorrect, there's no way it was going to be overturned. That still doesn't alter my view that the decision was the wrong one.
 
As I keep saying UEFA have shown the way forward by bringing in goal line assistants. I'm confident we'd be on top of the lge now, had the Prem adopted such a system.
 
If you try taking your red tinted glasses off for a minute, Luke. You might be able to see what everybody else can see!
 
littleDinosaurLuke said:
But if the ref made the right decision at the end of the day, I don't see the issue.
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Just because he came to the correct conclusion, that doesn't mean that his methods for getting there were correct.
Being openly and obviously influenced by player pressure is clearly not a good thing, is it?
 
PleaseNotPoll said:
Just because he came to the correct conclusion, that doesn't mean that his methods for getting there were correct.
Being openly and obviously influenced by player pressure is clearly not a good thing, is it?
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In my view, it was the wrong decision. However, you're spot on. The decision, right or wrong, should be the referees alone, not made under the influence of others.
 
littleDinosaurLuke said:
No, but stop being so idealistic.

The slighty overweight middle aged bloke in black isn't going to spot everything and players are going to make pleas to him, as they do- from all clubs. On this occasion, Rooney made a gesture to suggest a two-footed tackle and the ref, by whatever means, came to the correct decision that it was an illegal two-footed tackle.

So apart from your point of principle- which isn't really lent any support by this case- what's the issue?
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Once again, Luke, two footed tackles are not illegal. Not under current Fifa laws, anyway.
 
littleDinosaurLuke said:
Many players do this in almost every game.

The ref must have seen the tackle. He hasn't made a decision solely on Rooney's word and somehow got it right, has he?

But if the ref made the right decision at the end of the day, I don't see the issue.
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Of course he has. I'm not saying Fergie went in with a brown envelope before the game or that the ref even intended to give Man Utd the decisions but he listened to Rooney and waved away the City players protest. It's biased in black and white, just as the Barton decision was.
 
The obvious point that he's missed is the Newcastle game at Old Trafford.
The one time that a visiting team has been incorrectly rewarded there in Premier League history and Man Utd fail to win.
We had twice as many goal decisions go against us and still didn't lose.
 
Wandering Yid said:
Pretty sure this the only profession where you don't get called to account for glaring errors.

Yesterday we saw, for not the first time this season, an abysmal refereeing performance which cost us the opportunity to be equal 1st on points in the league. Would it be so hard for these officials to come out after the game to explain why they make decisions, or apologise when they know they've made a mistake?
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Seems like you are not seeing the decisions that go your way, there are enough of them.

Don't get me wrong, moaning about ref's decisions is part of the fun, I do it often enough but please do not go about as if Spurs only get wrong decisions against them and none for, thats silly, if you didn't get the wrong ones but got the right ones you would still not be 1st so, don't be saying we could this or that as it works the reverse when you get away with stuff too
 
PleaseNotPoll said:
The obvious point that he's missed is the Newcastle game at Old Trafford.
The one time that a visiting team has been incorrectly rewarded there in Premier League history and Man Utd fail to win.
We had twice as many goal decisions go against us and still didn't lose.
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United v Newcastle was 1 - 1 when Newcastle got a dodgy pen <doh>
 
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