If anyone here thinks I'm having a go at Deano they couldn't be further from the truth. What I meant to articulate was the hypocrisy of the very same people who slated Giggs and took great delight in it are now falling over themselves to back Deano.
Dean Windass
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People slagged off Marlon King and Jimmy Bullard too, they've equally no connection with Dean's situation.
Temporarily ignoring the Deano thing, the whole Giggs thing was absolutely sad. I think it's sad that football fans hate people like Terry, Cole and Rooney just because the glossy magazines tell them to, but hating Ryan Giggs? FFS he is the very thing that is great about football, he is and was a fantastic player, he has loyalty, played the game the right way and didn't cheat. A year (or maybe 2?) ago he was Sports Personality of the year and yet just because some daft tabloids tell us otherwise everyone hates him now. It's incredibly sad that we have such little respect for our top players nowadays.
giggs has loyalty? he is the premierships greatest ever player imo, buy loyalty is one thing he clearly does not have.
I doubt any of us on here are anything like capable of giving a decent answer to that. There isn't a clear explanation partly because there isn't one single condition but many variations all with their own peculiarities, causes and remedies.
I had a close friend ask me to give them and their kids a lift home because they had an almost unstoppable desire to dive out of their car under the wheels on an oncoming lorry. There was no logical cause for this. Hunting one would be as difficult as looking for the intermittent fault that made your pc freeze. Sometimes the circuitry just goes haywire for a while.
I heard him on Radio Humberside a couple of weeks ago re-living the Wembley game and celebrations. I had heard that he had split from his wife and had a girlfriend but noticed during that interview he was crying and emotional, talking a lot about his wife and sons at that time. It sounded then like he wanted to be back with them. Unfortunately what also struck me was the fact that he talked about how after the match he hardly remembered anything because he was drunk all through the celebrations for quite a few days afterwards. I must admit when I saw the front page of the newspaper this morning although I feel sorry about his state of mind at the moment I couldn't help but wonder if it was a chance to step back into the limelight again. I am not sure about a job with the club at the moment. Remember he was not happy when he was dropped from the team under Brown, he didn't want to make way for younger players. I have read his book and throughout his career he has always argued with people and generally had problems wherever he has been. For me he needs to quit drinking and then find something to do.
I dont think people do understand it, and like i said you still dont understand it if you have had it!
People seem to cope with things in differant ways and some people are able to cope better than others!
When Stan Collemore came out and said he was depressed all them years ago i was like how the **** can a young footballer earning i think it was about 17-25k a week be depressed!
i suppose just because you have money, played in the biggest leauge in the word doesnt mean you have been succsessfull in everything in life!
20 years at the same club, and no pretending to want to leave like Rooney did last year. I don't give a **** about his romantic loyalty, I meant football-wise. This is exactly what I mean though. I get the impression that you are someone who appreciates these proper types of players (like Ashbee of course) but even you have had it hammered into you enough to point out that he wasn't loyal to his wife. 10 years ago footballers were famous for football, now they're 'celebrities'. They'll have their own ITV2 programmes soon; What Giggs did next and all that sort of crap.
not bothered about footballers cheating, but when its your brother its a different level, it makes you an utter lowlife imo.
Why does nobody have a go at his bro's missus? She stood up and took a vow to love him forever, Ryan didnt. She's far more to blame for me. What if Ryan never actually liked his brother?
Spot on!!!
I agree, but first his situation should be better understood; does he have clinical depression or is he a selfish, boozy knobster who life has caught up with - I would nothing to do with that.
Like you I served (20yrs) and I have seen many leave the forces at around 38-42 yrs of age (same as DW). They (we!) lost their careers and their sporting affiliations all in one fell swoop. They had to resettle and find new work, adapt to a different culture and maintain family life. The security of cash was never as evident as it should have been for Windass. I knew plenty who played the field and enjoyed a good sup, but if it went to far (as it could) no-one hid behind depression - they were simply called a knobhead who blew it! If they recognised that then they would keep mates easier.
This Giggs thing has little relevance to Windass - Giggs is the pits of a bloke or brother, but a brilliant footballer. I like to watch him play football, watching him shag wouldn't do it for me, thankfully!
In which case I offer my unreserved apology. As you can see I don't make light of suicide or depression, I've simply misunderstood what you put.
The likes of Deano, Flintoft, Hatton and Vinnie Jones admitting to problems will hopefully raise more awareness to the issues and maybe lift a little of the pressure from people who think asking for help is a weakness.
I'm not going to claim to understand depression, but the bit about him feeling like a failure I can understand.
Without wanting to sound arrogant, I know I'm amongst the top 5-10% of the country academically, especially on the mathematical/scientific side of things, and that's based on exams where I've hardly put in any effort during the studying period and then not bothered revising. As a result it means I feel I'm expected to get top grades on things. Last year I went back to studying after 8 years out, and I was studying at a higher level than before in a subject area I had little knowledge of. Granted for accounting the maths part is easier than I'd had before, but everything else was new to me. I ended the year with the highest grade possible, which for a normal person in that situation would be something to celebrate. I don't see it as an achievement, I can see that logically it is, but it doesn't feel like that. I don't feel any pride in having done it, I just feel relief at not having ****ed it up by only getting a B. My sense of achievement from it will only come when I'm in a position to use my qualifications to help me to help my friends or suppport my family, my personal 'success' means nothing if I can't do that at the end of it all.
If you consider the position Windass was elevated to by us and by Bradford fans, he had to leave us when we were in the **** so that the fee could keep us going, but that meant he wasn't around to help the club he loved for countless years after. Then with Bradford he was with them but was unable to prevent them from falling down from the PL to L1 and then after he left down to L2. Yes the team there was decimated by their financial side, but he was their hero on the pitch, he was the one expected to perform miracles and he didn't. Then with us the second time he's had to leave because he couldn't perform at the PL level as a starter and it's difficult to accept that. After he's left we've been relegated and had all the troubles off the pitch, the Bullard situation. Again he's not been in a position to help us through it despite still being hero worshipped by the fans. Throw in that at the same time he's lost the ability to provide for his family in the same way he could before (lavish lifestyles are hard to change once you have them established) and you can see why he would feel like a failure if he had a big sense of expectation about himself.
NB: if I don't put this I can guarantee someone will decide I'm slagging him off for all those things so to make it clear I'm not, I'm saying that's how he could feel about things. Even though when you look logically he has been successful he may see it as a pointless personal 'success' because despite that the people/relationships and other things he cares about have been failing around him.
No problem, it was not clear enough. I have a concern that some use it as an excuse to live the high life and ignore their responsibility and then throw in the depression card - the genuine ones need all the help we can give them, but they have to help thenselves too! I am very uncertain which camp Windass falls into, but regardless, I would like to see him pull his **** together and enjoy life.
Or, perhaps, he should just buckle down and get the **** on with it!
1) Why are you putting all your comments in bold text?
2) An explanation for another poster of how someone perceived as successful could feel like a failure does not require a comment about how that person should deal with it. It certainly doesn't require one beginning with "or" as though the previous comment was wrong.
As one that's had some involvement with soldiers who were fortunate enough to get better advice than "buckle up", Deano could end up with some very good advice about depression from those with PTS disorders, albeit their's tends to be a different form of depression, it's something the forces take very seriously now.
So are you saying if someone isn't putting their life on the line every day at work they're not supposed to let losing everything they care about affect them?
I hope none of your friends ever loses their job, sees the stress of that cause a near 20 year marriage to break up and then has a parent die as well if that's the case.