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Premiershiporbust....

Premiershiporbust....

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I didn't go to Coventry but I gather that there was a banner acclaiming Nicky as "Judas" and I also heard cheering on the radio as he was substituted...

Some people really need to get a grip on reality.

I agree that to us, following the City IS a passion, but some need to realise that it is OUR passion and that it is not the be all and end all of a professional footballers career to play for Bristol City...

Some appear to have taken it as a personal insult that Nicky has declined to sign a new contract in the strikers graveyard that is the MIGHTY Bristol City. I hear the comment

“he doesn’t want to play for us so he shouldn’t wear the shirt ever again.”

Err, perhaps someone could explain to me why the fact that he wants to try somewhere else IN THE SUMMER should preclude him from remaining what he is (which is a PROFESSIONAL), and giving his all for his current employer, UNTIL such time as he signs for another club.

To be clear,

a). Nicky's JOB is to play football,
b). he is undoubtedly our best striker
c). he is NOT from Bristol

and in case anyone hadn’t noticed, WE ARE IN DIRE ****E so can someone tell me exactly why you wouldn't use your best asset (as long as we have him) to help us survive...? As far as I am concerned, DM has quite rightly stated that as long as he shows the right attitude, he will have no hesitation in selecting him to give us the best chance.

Some seem to think that this will upset Brett. Well, if he has any brains, Brett will have realised some time ago that he was most likely bought as Nicky’s replacement so he should sit tight and if the new gaffer agrees with Keith's assessment, he’ll get his chance soon enough anyway. In the meantime, WE NEED TO WIN GAMES, which of course means scoring goals.

Frankly, to vilify a player who has given the club 4 years of his career simply because he wants to improve himself is a lunacy that could only happen in football. The bottom line is that for now, Nicky REMAINS A BRISTOL CITY EMPLOYEE and should therefore be treated as such and it is similarly ridiculous to critise the manager for selecting him as to NOT pick him would be damaging OUR club...

Personally, I am disappointed that NM hasn’t signed again however the clock is ticking on his career and after the ****e service he has been getting for the last 4 years, I am not really surprised that he's got ****ed off with it and wants to leave and play for a team that actually DOES create chances for their forwards….
 
wizered said:
Beddytare has advised me of your comments treat this forum and it's members with respect and you're welcome if not you will be off.....
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just ban him wize, the Southampton fans have so dont see why we have to put up with the bell end

as for the response of what maynard getting it is wrong, hes been a good player for us and that's what he should be remembered by not a player who didn't want to sign and extension
 
Just like to say that I entirly agree with Prem on this one........If any of us was in the same position we would all do exactly the same.
In my opinion we don't play the type of football that suits Nicky, so for that reason alone, i can understand why he would want to move on..
Good luck to the lad.......
 
agree with Prem.
Although
If he had stated that he had no intention of signing a year ago, we would have cashed in to the tune of millions, which would have been a just reward for boosting his career and seeing him through his mysterious 'injury'.
THAT is why he was booed at Coventry, and he can hardly be surprised.
Fact is though, it takes a cool and cold customer to score lots of goals in prof footy, and Maynard has conducted his career in the same manner. It remains to be seen whether he will score enough goals in the Premiership to have a top career. But you really cant blame the kid for wanting to try....
 
BRR hits the nail on the head here - whilst I don't agree with giving Nicky the cold shoulder or booing him, let's not forget that he has kept leading the club on since the summer and his somewhat selfish actions will have cost the club a hefty chunk of cash. No-one would have been pi$$ed off if Nicky had said last year that he wanted to move as we would have gotten a good fee for him and would have time to get in a replacement. I think it's highly unlikely that Nicky has made a sudden decision - this has been planned all along. As the great Dela Soul once sang... "it's just me myself & I".....

Footballers live in a different world to the rest of us - they get horrendously overpaid and have the security of contracts which enables them to get paid a set amount for a set period of time, even if they do not give the club value for money with their performances. If they are injured and cannot play, they still get paid. It's a really nice safety blanket. I would love to know that if I suddenly became crap at my job, that I would still get paid.

In return for this security, clubs own the rights to the player and in the pre-Bosman days, this allowed clubs to enjoy the players performances during their contract and then potentially sell their rights at the end. These days contracts are farcical in that they are completely one sided. The players know that they still have the freedom to move and can also stay put and walk for nothing at the end allowing them to potentially get a better signing on fee. Clubs will spend millions to get promoted or avoid relegation and the player has literally no ties to the club for the fee paid. It is ridiculous.

When Nicky was injured, he still got paid. That is a liability that the club takes on but with the liability on the club should come some loyalty or affection from the player. We are not a rich club and the players know that fact but quite frankly they don't give a toss.

I agree with everyone that says " if I could get a better gig elsewhere for more money, I'd jump at it". We've all moved jobs to get a better life but the big difference here is that our employers did not pay for us to join their company. It was our choide for free. Therefore we should have the right to move when and where we choose. Completely different for footballers.

It is us, the fans, that ride the emotional rollercoaster because we are all invested in the club.

I hope that Nicky gets his dream move but I hope even more that the club get s a decent fee to perpetuate our existance.

The question is when will the chairmen up and down the country start looking into a players qualities off the field as well as on the field and judge their worth by that? The game is just money mad these days.
 
Juat a small correction Tampa, which a lot of people seem unaware of. The league runs a COMPULSORY insurance scheme and it is this which pays when players are seriously injured/out for a long time and NOT, the club...
 
Premiershiporbust.... said:
Juat a small correction Tampa, which a lot of people seem unaware of. The league runs a COMPULSORY insurance scheme and it is this which pays when players are seriously injured/out for a long time and NOT, the club...
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Out of interest Prem,who pays the premium to the insurance companies, players or football clubs..?
 
Hi Wiz, here are the current scheme providers.

http://www.sbjfootballpa.com/ (some might find it useful as there are rates for local teams if not already insured)

I've looked after a couple of league clubs (service wise) over the years but as the clubs deal direct with the league for this, I never had a need to get involved however I believe that the clubs pay with the premium probably based on a percentage of the total player wageroll...
 
POB - you are correct - clubs do carry insurance on their players as they are essentially club assets. The club pays the premiums and there are claims deductibles involved just like on car insurance (or excess as you would say in the UK) so the club does not get reimbursed 100% by the insurance. Many clubs self insure via a captive insurance company in an offshore jurisdiction for tax purposes - I ran many such insurance programs for NFL and MLB teams in the USA when I was based in Bermuda and I spoke often to the biggest provider of sports insurance in the London insurance market as they were my reinsurers on the NFL / MLB deals. I would not think that City self insure due to our player valuations and payroll but we would still not receive full reimbursement on an injured players wages.

The posting was not meant to be a discussion of how clubs insure and finance their assets but one about loyalty and respect for the clubs themselves. It's just sadly lacking these days. I'm too young to remember the days when John Ateyo turned down a move to Italy as he enjoyed his status with City and as a surveyor more than the cash in his pocket. Seems a far cry from todays greed.
 
Whilst I agree with the general outline of Prems post, there are 1 or 2 issues that muddy the water here a bit.

Maynard is out of form so if we play 1 up front they will need to have the ability to nick a goal. (he doesn't look like he can at the moment) He certainly wont want to get injured.

Pitman will surely want it more than Maynard at the moment, its only human nature!

He was hero worshipped by many at our club, He never had any intention of signing a new contract, it was obvious, he should have been more transparent about it.

If his long term injury was self inflicted (skiing?) then he does owe us. He could have signed an extension making it very clear he wanted a move regardless.

When he is in form he is majestic, when he is out of form he aint all that! We get more of the latter in my opinion.

Im looking at this as an opportunity to move on, lets find another hero. I think we can do better anyway, surely the fact that there are sound arguments against any sort of formation we try tells us a lot about this squad, 4-5-1- no 4-4-2 -no!

We aren't getting anywhere. let Derek rebuild and start again.
 
I agree with Tampa! also (devils advocate here) is NM that good? looking at the stats his goals per shots ratio isn't that good as far as I can see yes he scores some fantastic goals but also fails to hit the target regularly????
 
Nicky REMAINS A BRISTOL CITY EMPLOYEE
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NOT CORRECT, HE IS CONTRACTED TO BCFC IN MUCH THE SAME WAY AS I AM CONTRACTED TO THE COMPANIES I WORK FOR. HE MAY ALSO POSSIBLY BE VAT REGISTERED, DEPENDING ON HOW HE SETS HIMSELF UP...I AM


Agree better off else where and we shouldnt slag him for that, said when Keef was still in charge he should have been "rested" for a couple of games as he rally looked out of sorts
 
I always thought that a football club held the players registration as well as the contract,so a clubs deems whom he plays for as long as the contract is valid....
 
wizered said:
I always thought that a football club held the players registration as well as the contract,so a clubs deems whom he plays for as long as the contract is valid....
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Your correct, he is contracted to BCFC until July 1st 2012 he cannot without consent from BCFC play for anyone else until that point, he can talk to who he wants from Jan, whilst before that he would off had to be given permission from BCFC
As to you John I don't know what profession you are in, but if I run into a competitor I have to declare what we discussed as would the person I met.
 
JGF, I assume that you are a self-employed contractor but I am guessing that none of the companies that you work for hold your registration. This is perhaps more relevant to the old Tevez scenario...?

As far as Nicky's performances for us over the years, I never thought it was a question of form. Here is a reminder of the player that we signed, watch it closely and then read on....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pR6fVODkkwc

Bear in mind that this was in his 1st (pre season friendly) game for us about 24 hours after he signed. Now just look at the strikers instincts, the words I would use are;-

Natural talent
Effortless
Instinctive (again)

The opposition is not really relevant - being in the right place at the right time is a gift that you really can't teach. GIVE HIM THE RIGHT SERVICE AND THATS WHAT YOU GET...

I always content that Nicky came to us 6 months too late. Had had come at Christmas the year before in the season we made it to the play-offs, we would have made it, SL would have spen the £30m he promised and who knows what would have happened.

However, does anyone recognise the slick football and moves put together for the 3 goals..?

No, me neither as that was about the last time that we played like this. Had we continued to do so, I reckon Nicky would be closing in on 75 goals (or maybe more) for us in his time as he is a natural talent and one that will flourish in a better quality team

To me, it was always a case of whether he fancied it or not on the day. As we know, Nicky generally had to manufacture his own goals and although he has shown that he is MORE than capable, it must be bloody depressing having to do it all yourself ALL THE TIME rather than having a decent cross or throughball provided...

I really had hoped that DM would be able to get us playing in a manner more suitable for Nicky's talents which might have persuaded him to maybe sign a one year extension and see if he could help take us places but this is clearly more than a 5 minute job so I guess Nicky's patience ran out...
 
his registration does not make him an employee, neither does his contract, an employee can give notice he is leaving and go and do another job for another employer...NICKY cant as per.....

Your correct, he is contracted to BCFC until July 1st 2012 he cannot without consent from BCFC play for anyone else until that point, he can talk to who he wants from Jan, whilst before that he would off had to be given permission from BCFC
As to you John I don't know what profession you are in, but if I run into a competitor I have to declare what we discussed as would the person I met.............
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I am bound by the OSA
 
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