Election 2024

[brb]

Me too

I read he hasn't talked to Trump over the weekend - mate, if I was about to resign, I wouldn't even consider wasting my time chatting to that stinky bloated old ****.

Cos Starmer didn't help him with Iran, he's on one on his social media slamming him. Trumps a prick.

I think Starmer is the sort of guy that would do the courtesy thing of letting the US President know, just because of the way protocol rolls, rather than massaging Trumps ego... but he clearly couldn't wait to blag about it.

At least Starmer can walk away with head held high and no bitterness, and to be fair to him, he's shown none, he's been polite throughout the whole course of this charade.

I'll just wait for the time when the media will carve up Burnham now. I still can't see what he brings to the table, I just see him as another backstabber in the same mould that I casted Michael Gove, when he did this to Boris.

 

[brb]

Starmer would have been a good Chancellor or Home Secretary.

I could see from the recent G7, Starmer isn't a great one for casual conversation, I wonder if he's more relaxed when the cameras aren't around. So for all my doubts about Burnham, he'll be a better more chilled out communicator.

 

[Welshie]

I think Starmer is the sort of guy that would do the courtesy thing of letting the US President know, just because of the way protocol rolls, rather than massaging Trumps ego... but he clearly couldn't wait to blag about it.

At least Starmer can walk away with head held high and no bitterness, and to be fair to him, he's shown none, he's been polite throughout the whole course of this charade.

I'll just wait for the time when the media will carve up Burnham now. I still can't see what he brings to the table, I just see him as another backstabber in the same mould that I casted Michael Gove, when he did this to Boris.

If people don't want backstabbing, they shouldn't be in politics. Full stop.

There's no senior politician that isn't a shark sniffing the blood, Gove saw a chance to be in number 10, obviously he's going to shoot his shot. He had absolutely no reason what so ever to support Boris. Whats Boris ever done for Gove?

In the same vein, Burnham left the Commons and has built a brand, he's never been supported by Starmer and like wise Starmer has never taken anything from Burnham. There's no personal or processional relationship there, they're just both Labour politicians.

I think Keir made the first strategic mistake when he blocked the Gorton and Denton by-election, he should have let Burnham run back then before the May elections and stuck him in the cabinet.

By delaying it until after the disaster locals he signed his death warrant.

 

[brb]

If people don't want backstabbing, they shouldn't be in politics. Full stop.

There's no senior politician that isn't a shark sniffing the blood, Gove saw a chance to be in number 10, obviously he's going to shoot his shot. He had absolutely no reason what so ever to support Boris. Whats Boris ever done for Gove?

In the same vein, Burnham left the Commons and has built a brand, he's never been supported by Starmer and like wise Starmer has never taken anything from Burnham. There's no personal or processional relationship there, they're just both Labour politicians.

I think Keir made the first strategic mistake when he blocked the Gorton and Denton by-election, he should have let Burnham run back then before the May elections and stuck him in the cabinet.

By delaying it until after the disaster locals he signed his death warrant.

It's alright mate, you don't have to explain yourself, it's all been noted, endorsed and rubber stamped by Welshie....we'll all know where to come when it goes tits up.

 

[Welshie]

It's alright mate, you don't have to explain yourself, it's all been noted, endorsed and rubber stamped by Welshie....we'll all know where to come when it goes tits up.

Come at me

 

[PINKIE]

I feel for Starmer. He hasn't done a lot wrong and has been quietly and slowly getting on with making progress

But we live in world where politics is pantomime and the mob have decided that he's not fit for the job

His back benchers haven't helped either. I think in some ways that massive majority has worked against him, because Labour MPs know that there's enough of them to get legislation through, and it affords some of them the room to be rebels.

If they had a small majority, they could have probably whipped them better, to make sure they voted with the govt.

Whatever the analysis, it's an unfortunate facet of modern political life, that when your stock is in decline, it's usually the beginning of the end.

 

[Welshie]

I feel for Starmer. He hasn't done a lot wrong and has been quietly and slowly getting on with making progress

But we live in world where politics is pantomime and the mob have decided that he's not fit for the job

His back benchers haven't helped either. I think in some ways that massive majority has worked against him, because Labour MPs know that there's enough of them to get legislation through, and it affords some of them the room to be rebels.

If they had a small majority, they could have probably whipped them better, to make sure they voted with the govt.

Whatever the analysis, it's an unfortunate facet of modern political life, that when your stock is in decline, it's usually the beginning of the end.

I agree re the majority.

I think if Labour had squeaked in, Starmer would have a considerably easier party to manage.

What's essentially happened though is the Northern England/Scottish section of the party has rebelled.

Another issue that Alistair Campbell has pointed out multiple times (he's actually a personal friend of Starmer) is that Keir simply does not delegate enough or properly, so the reason for a lack of real change is because he's reading and rubber stamping everything himself, alluding to why there are so many U-turns, these are things Keir is taking time to consider and suddenly changing his mind.

Being the PM is a very specific job and I sincerely believe Keir Starmer has made a massive meal out of being the PM, although he has proven very capable at foreign affairs, especially Europe.

 

[PINKIE]

I agree re the majority.

I think if Labour had squeaked in, Starmer would have a considerably easier party to manage.

What's essentially happened though is the Northern England/Scottish section of the party has rebelled.

Another issue that Alistair Campbell has pointed out multiple times (he's actually a personal friend of Starmer) is that Keir simply does not delegate enough or properly, so the reason for a lack of real change is because he's reading and rubber stamping everything himself, alluding to why there are so many U-turns, these are things Keir is taking time to consider and suddenly changing his mind.

Being the PM is a very specific job and I sincerely believe Keir Starmer has made a massive meal out of being the PM, although he has proven very capable at foreign affairs, especially Europe.

He is a very competent statesman, and I can imagine that he would 100% be the sort of person who would want to examine all policy in details rather than delegate it.

Maybe that's too guarded and it would be quicker to hand that sort of stuff over to his team, but I totally gets why he wants to be as informed as he can be.

It's a shame we live in a world where you had the likes of Boris who didn't even bother to read what was landing on his desk, and Trump who infamously wants all policy detail to be condensed into one A4 piece of paper with bullet points.

Trump's signature takes up more room on the page when it comes to policy documents ffs

 

[NostradEmus]

I just think he is a massive **** tbh

 

[Welshie]

He is a very competent statesman, and I can imagine that he would 100% be the sort of person who would want to examine all policy in details rather than delegate it.

Maybe that's too guarded and it would be quicker to hand that sort of stuff over to his team, but I totally gets why he wants to be as informed as he can be.

It's a shame we live in a world where you had the likes of Boris who didn't even bother to read what was landing on his desk, and Trump who infamously wants all policy detail to be condensed into one A4 piece of paper with bullet points.

Trump's signature takes up more room on the page when it comes to policy documents ffs

I think me and @brb both voted for Boris

 

[PINKIE]

I think me and @brb both voted for Boris

I knew brb did. I didn't realise you'd voted for the bumbling buffoon too ffs

 

[Welshie]

I knew brb did. I didn't realise you'd voted for the bumbling buffoon too ffs

Me, Saf, Brb and a few others I think.

@Diego is a big tory so he deffo did I dont even need to speculate.

 

[Number 1 Jasper]

In the 70s, everyone was a comedian...

Not many funnier than this bloke though

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Very funny and intelligent man .

 

[Number 1 Jasper]

My abiding memory of Starmer when it comes to UK-US relations , was when Trump dropped the pile of papers and Starmer bent down to pick them up .
Big mistake imho .
Made himself look weak .

 

[Welshie]

My abiding memory of Tarmer when it comes to UK-US relations , was when Trump dropped the pile of papers and Starmer bent down to pick them up .
Big mistake imho .
Made himself look weak .

I honestly don't think Trump can bend over at all, he fell when he was forced to stand up at the assassination attempt, he's extremely immobile.

 

[brb]

My abiding memory of Tarmer when it comes to UK-US relations , was when Trump dropped the pile of papers and Starmer bent down to pick them up .
Big mistake imho .
Made himself look weak .

I know when you mean, I do remember that. I think Keir was being polite, typically English reserved, so I can see what you mean about looking weak....only a very minor detail, but not one displaying strong leadership qualities. Interesting observation - It's like asking would Putin, Xi or Jong Un have done that, no. Wasn't it said once, could be bullshit, but Jong Un punished someone once for translating some sentence wrong on an official engagement.

Just went and found the story...

Top North Korean official who was reportedly sent to a prison camp over failed nuclear talks has reappeared alongside Kim Jong Un

Kim Yong Chol, a prominent member of Kim Jong Un's entourage in the US-North Korea summits, was reportedly sentenced to hard labor after failed talks.

www.businessinsider.com

According to the report, Kim was punished for "betraying the supreme leader" after talks with President Donald Trump ended abruptly without a deal in February. Four others, including an interpreter who is said to have made a translation error at the Hanoi summit, were reportedly imprisoned as part of a wider purge of top-level officials.

 

[Number 1 Jasper]

I know when you mean, I do remember that. I think Keir was being polite, typically English reserved, so I can see what you mean about looking weak....only a very minor detail, but not one displaying strong leadership qualities. Interesting observation - It's like asking would Putin, Xi or Jong Un have done that, no. Wasn't it said once, could be bullshit, but Jong Un punished someone once for translating some sentence wrong on an official engagement.

Just went and found the story...

Top North Korean official who was reportedly sent to a prison camp over failed nuclear talks has reappeared alongside Kim Jong Un

Kim Yong Chol, a prominent member of Kim Jong Un's entourage in the US-North Korea summits, was reportedly sentenced to hard labor after failed talks.

www.businessinsider.com

According to the report, Kim was punished for "betraying the supreme leader" after talks with President Donald Trump ended abruptly without a deal in February. Four others, including an interpreter who is said to have made a translation error at the Hanoi summit, were reportedly imprisoned as part of a wider purge of top-level officials.

I’m sure Starmer did it with the best intentions , but
I remember thinking “ let the prick pick it up himself or get one of his security team to do it “

Trump would view it as weakness