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How are Labour doing after their first 12 months


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Give your head a wobble ffs. How recently were you saying employers should wean themselves off cheap foreign labour? Now you're saying it's okay to hire kids and pay them a pittance, so long as they're serving you a double espresso.

The hospitality sector is ****ed because nobody is spending money, not because they can no longer exploit kids for pocket money. Which is hardly surprising since Brexit has made us all 6% poorer.
Just seen you edited your post.

Yes I did complain about migrant exploitation, exploitation where they didn't get proper breaks, exploitation when the accomodation they were given was the pits and multiple occupancy without adequate facilities. Thought you would be against actual exploitation.

The reason the UK didn't employ UK kids on the minimum wage BEFORE Reeves increases, was because of this exploitation. People often tend to allude the EU was cheap, yes of course it is, because we and they, especially in Spain were exploiting people.

Don't try and combine the two, because Rachel Reeves made subsequent increase to minimum wages and taxes after the exploitation had finished (UK only). The original wages were still well above explotaition levels and affordable with the exception of lifes fraudsters who deal in the black market.

For someone who is supposed to be a hard-line union guy I'm surprised you don't understand all this and it has to be explained to you. But you are happy for those at the very bottom of the ladder to be exploited, because you look down on them, then when they are unemployed you will call them skivers, when they've always been treated as slaves.

This is not now above slaves this about businesses being able to pay a fair wage to kids, without Reeves screwing the small businesses over and sending them to the wall, so we have more unemployed.

You really need to get your head out of the history books make and start reading about modern day exploitation. I've posted enough of the material up on this site, that often gets ignored, and you know why, because you don't ****ing care.
 
You going to stay and argue the point Archers, admit you were wrong, or you going to creep back to GC now with your tail between your legs as always, eh mate?




Yeah, the economy, by which I mean the world’s economy, was just about flatlining before the Comedy President of LaLa Land decided to have a full mental episode and start lobbing tomahawk missiles all over the gulf. That’s not down to the minimum wage for yoofs going up by 75p an hour..it’s down to a crisis of capitalism that’s been 40 years in the making
 
Yeah, the economy, by which I mean the world’s economy, was just about flatlining before the Comedy President of LaLa Land decided to have a full mental episode and start lobbing tomahawk missiles all over the gulf. That’s not down to the minimum wage.
No mate, you can't hide behind Trump, face it mate Reeves has screwed small businesses, that's not Trumps fault, that's not Elons fault, they are to blame for a lot, but Rachel from accounts controls our purse strings and screwed everyone to the wall, including our own military defence expectations, while Keir was doing a u-turn on everything else known to man because he has no balls. That's your left mate, whether you like it or not, they have played us all, just like the Tories, because it's millionaires all at the top, including your beloved leader Sir Keir Starmer.
 
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Pubs are closing faster than you can say “How ****ing much, I ordered a pint not a week’s holiday in Magaluf?”, and have been doing for years.
Yes and that’s unlikely to stop any time soon. Even reasonably busy pubs aren’t making a lot. The cost of running any hospitality business that requires a few staff is obscene now. Demand overall is down of course but it’s not the main factor.
 
There's a little part of town round here that is a square mile or so of terrace streets, the old Vetch used to be in the middle of it.
Was a Christmas pub crawl, the Sandfields crawl.

Every single pub is now shut. None of them ever served food, they were just boozers.

Driving through there now and then, it seems completely mad that they even all existed in the first place. No one goes to a terraced street pub to just drink pints anymore. We've all moved on.

Not sure it was was Brexit that caused that mind. People just don't go to sit in a **** pub drinking **** beer all day.

The ten quid a pint scenario is post Covid, not Brexit.

We're all paying the Covid **** show back, because both sets of chancers in government won't even consider taking the hit themselves.


*(too busy throwing billions at other countries, obvs)
 
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Pubs are closing faster than you can say “How ****ing much, I ordered a pint not a week’s holiday in Magaluf?”, and have been doing for years.

Hospitality is really struggling and it's a range of factors which has created a perfect storm

Inflation and the cost of physical ingredients and equipment has rocketed

Fuel prices have gone up, partly due to inflation and due to Trump starting stupid wars that he promised he wouldn't, that all adds extra cost to deliveries etc

Brexit was stupid and we shot ourselves in the foot voting for that nonsense, add covid on the top and it's a double kick in the bollocks.

Business rates and cost of employing people has gone up

Utility rates have rocketed over the last few years

And of course all of this affects customers in their pockets too. And they are voting with their feet.

You used to be able to get a reasonably priced fish supper takeaway on a Friday night for about £15-£20 for two people. The other night I got two pieces of Cod, some fish gougons for the little un and some chips to share between us £34

I've given up the booze now, but even if I did drink, there's no way I'd be going to a pub and spending £8 on a pint.
 
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There's a little part of town round here that is a square mile or so of terrace streets, the old Vetch used to be in the middle of it.
Was a Christmas pub crawl, the Sandfields crawl.

Every single pub is now shut. None of them ever served food, they were just boozers.

Driving through there now and then, it seems completely mad that they even all existed in the first place. No one goes to a terraced street pub to just drink pints anymore. We've all moved on.

Not sure it was was Brexit that caused that mind. People just don't go to sit in a **** pub drinking **** beer all day.

The ten quid a pint scenario is post Covid, not Brexit.

We're all paying the Covid **** show back, because both sets of chancers in government won't even consider taking the hit themselves.


*(too busy throwing billions at other countries, obvs)


I had my first proper pint (not counting the odd pint of shandy in a beer garden on holiday with my folks) in a pub like that in Southampton, called The Avenue. I remember the sign behind the bar saying 'Hughie and Lil welcome you to The Avenue'. This put my mate, who was sharp like that, on first name terms with the Landlord and Lady, which was handy when you were 14 years old.

Hughie and Lil served every single pint in that pub themselves, and they must have been struggling even then, because they certainly knew we weren't 18, but served us anyway. On one occasion Lil sat down next to us after we'd been served, and asked "Your are 18, aren't you lads? I thought you were, but I have to cover myself in case the police come in".

If you wanted food you could generally get a cheese and pickle roll or a liver sausage roll, from the plastic display case on the bar. I never saw anybody buy one, I'm guessing if the pub was still there now (don't think it is) those exact same rolls would still be there. There was also a big jar of pickled eggs; I have never eaten a pickled egg, and I doubt I ever will. Has anybody?

There was a dartboard on the wall, but there was also a table almost under the dartboard and if you wanted to play darts you had to be careful your dart didn't land in some old dear's glass of port and lemon
 
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Hospitality is really struggling and it's a range of factors which has created a perfect storm

Inflation and the cost of physical ingredients and equipment has rocketed

Fuel prices have gone up, partly due to inflation and due to Trump starting stupid wars that he promised he wouldn't, that all adds extra cost to deliveries etc

Brexit was stupid and we shot ourselves in the foot voting for that nonsense, add covid on the top and it's a double kick in the bollocks.

Business rates and cost of employing people has gone up

Utility rates have rocketed over the last few years

And of course all of this affects customers in their pockets too. And they are voting with their feet.

You used to be able to get a reasonably priced fish supper takeaway on a Friday night for about £15-£20 for two people. The other night I got two pieces of Cod, some fish gougons for the little un and some chips to share between us £34

I've given up the booze now, but even if I did drink, there's no way I'd be going to a pub and spending £8 on a pint.
It's not £8 a pint, although I can probably imagine the demographics of Cornwall's posh white people encouraging those sort of prices.

I've never paid £8 for a pint of beer outside of the City, wherever I've gone. It might be that in plush areas and the City, but it's not most places so you are chatting your usual ****ing bollocks.

@luvgonzo had a couple of beers yesterday, I bet he paid around £8 for both. Even my local which is ****ing expensive for my area don't charge £8 a pint.

You need to stop crying over Brexit, just because your £3.5k pushbike cost a bit more, if you can afford to pay that, you are not the demographics that I'm chatting about that Rachel from accounts has totally butt ****ed out of a job.

As for not drinking anymore, you would have been the last person on here I would have took as a drinker, so again talking bollocks.

You live somewhere where you could go without seeing another person for miles, so you aint qualified to talk on this **** bro.

I'm sure the poor people you use to bang on about in your area, will be pleased to know you spent £34 on a fish supper, you could feed a poor family for a week on that....but you wouldn;t understand.

£8 <laugh>

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Don't tell him that's 2022 <whistle> BEFORE Labour got into power.
 
It's not £8 a pint, although I can probably imagine the demographics of Cornwall's posh white people encouraging those sort of prices.

I've never paid £8 for a pint of beer outside of the City, wherever I've gone. It might be that in plush areas and the City, but it's not most places so you are chatting your usual ****ing bollocks.

@luvgonzo had a couple of beers yesterday, I bet he paid around £8 for both. Even my local which is ****ing expensive for my area don't charge £8 a pint.

You need to stop crying over Brexit, just because your £3.5k pushbike cost a bit more, if you can afford to pay that, you are not the demographics that I'm chatting about that Rachel from accounts has totally butt ****ed out of a job.

As for not drinking anymore, you would have been the last person on here I would have took as a drinker, so again talking bollocks.

You live somewhere where you could go without seeing another person for miles, so you aint qualified to talk on this **** bro.

I'm sure the poor people you use to bang on about in your area, will be pleased to know you spent £34 on a fish supper, you could feed a poor family for a week on that....but you wouldn;t understand.

£8 <laugh>

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Don't tell him that's 2022 <whistle> BEFORE Labour got into power.


I've never paid £8 for a pint, but a couple of years ago now I met an old mate for a lunchtime drink in his local, just off the Holloway Road. He had three pints of hand made designer lager at £7 a pop. Don't remember what we paid for fish and chips, but it was a lot. Nice food though.

My mate's from Belfast originally. We said to each other that twenty years previous, the same pub would have been heaving with proper old Paddies drinking Guinness in their work overalls, and certainly not at £7 a pint. And the bar would have been thick with smoke because ever ****er would have been puffing away. World's changed, man, and not necessarily for the better.

Remember when pubs were like this?

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It's not £8 a pint, although I can probably imagine the demographics of Cornwall's posh white people encouraging those sort of prices.

I've never paid £8 for a pint of beer outside of the City, wherever I've gone. It might be that in plush areas and the City, but it's not most places so you are chatting your usual ****ing bollocks.

@luvgonzo had a couple of beers yesterday, I bet he paid around £8 for both. Even my local which is ****ing expensive for my area don't charge £8 a pint.

You need to stop crying over Brexit, just because your £3.5k pushbike cost a bit more, if you can afford to pay that, you are not the demographics that I'm chatting about that Rachel from accounts has totally butt ****ed out of a job.

As for not drinking anymore, you would have been the last person on here I would have took as a drinker, so again talking bollocks.

You live somewhere where you could go without seeing another person for miles, so you aint qualified to talk on this **** bro.

I'm sure the poor people you use to bang on about in your area, will be pleased to know you spent £34 on a fish supper, you could feed a poor family for a week on that....but you wouldn;t understand.

£8 <laugh>

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Don't tell him that's 2022 <whistle> BEFORE Labour got into power.
Yeah bang on £4 a pint.
 
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