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[Ubedizzytoo]

Now people are being put in the slammer for the Southampton protests.
Instead of this give them a heavy fine. Imprisonment is NOT the answer.

They’re white and British so obviously it is the answer.

Also means the Governments don’t need to acknowledge the underlying problem, which is of their own making.

 

[ElfsborgAddick]

They’re white and British so obviously it is the answer.

Also means the Governments don’t need to acknowledge the underlying problem, which is of their own making.

These people are not worth a w***, am I'm not talking about the imprisoned.

I'd lay good money that being put in the slammer is the first time the majority have been in trouble, f****** shocking.

I cannot deny that violence in the protests needs to be punished but not with being put behind bars.

With this in mind, the plod that were with Henry Nowak should be doing a LOT of porridge, but of course this will not happen.

 

[Smudger603]

Now people are being put in the slammer for the Southampton protests.
Instead of this give them a heavy fine. Imprisonment is NOT the answer.

The beatings will continue until morale improves

 

[lardiman]

Now people are being put in the slammer for the Southampton protests.
Instead of this give them a heavy fine. Imprisonment is NOT the answer.

That simply is not correct.

Convicted criminals are being jailed for a number of different offences of rioting and violence.
Nobody has been convicted for protesting.
There were several other protests around the same time as the Southampton one, in different parts of the Country.
Nobody was arrested at any of then, because nobody used violence.

Rioting and attacking Police Officers are crimes which have always carried heavy sentences. That has never been kept secret.
It may be the case that some first offenders would have got more years in prison than they actually got, if they were found to have previous.

 

[ElfsborgAddick]

That simply is not correct.

Convicted criminals are being jailed for a number of different offences of rioting and violence.
Nobody has been convicted for protesting.
There were several other protests around the same time as the Southampton one, in different parts of the Country.
Nobody was arrested at any of then, because nobody used violence.

Rioting and attacking Police Officers are crimes which have always carried heavy sentences. That has never been kept secret.
It may be the case that some first offenders would have got more years in prison than they actually got, if they were found to have previous.

Brothers accused of assaulting officer at Manchester airport will not face third trial

Mohammed Fahir Amaaz and Muhammad Amaad denied assaulting PC Zachary Marsden in 2024 incident

www.theguardian.com

A rule for one and a rule for another.............in other news.
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Meanwhile Connor Bishop, 24, from Southampton, was seen in footage wearing a black jumper with "boys get sad too" written on the back, carrying a yellow traffic cone which he threw towards officers.

He was seen running with the cone, "pursuing officers for some time with it", prosecutor, Siobhan Linsley told the court.

So the guy gets to do time for throwing a traffic cone.

 

[lardiman]

I've never felt the need to throw anything at a Police officer.
It is so obviously a dumb stupid thing to do, even when I was a thoughtless youth it never occurred to me.
Neither did I go anywhere near a riot.
I had one or two 'mates' who bragged about doing petty criminal stuff, but I never allowed them to lead me into any such situation.

It is a sore pity if Mr Bishop's friends persuaded him to join in something that may have been way out of his depth.
This indeed is why riots are such a scourge on society.
People on both ends of the anarchy end up paying a heavy and perhaps undeserved price.

 

[ElfsborgAddick]

I've never felt the need to throw anything at a Police officer.
It is so obviously a dumb stupid thing to do, even when I was a thoughtless youth it never occurred to me.
Neither did I go anywhere near a riot.
I had one or two 'mates' who bragged about doing criminal stuff, but I never allowed them to lead me into any such situation.

It is a sore pity if Mr Bishop's friends persuaded him to join in something that may have been way out of his depth.
This indeed is why riots are such a scourge on society.
People on both ends of the anarchy end up paying a heavy and perhaps undeserved price.

So throwing a traffic cone deserves a prison sentence

 

[ElfsborgAddick]

Amaaz appeared via video link from prison. He was remanded in custody last year after being convicted at the first trial of three counts of assault over the incident at the airport, including assaults on two other officers. Amaad, who was found not guilty at the same trial, sat in court.

 

[lardiman]

So throwing a traffic cone deserves a prison sentence

I don't know what specific offence he was convicted of. And I'm not a lawyer.
But I understand that the institutions representing civil order must send the strongest possible message that lawlessness and mob rule on the streets, and aggression threatening violence against Police officers, will not be tolerated.
That may mean harsh sentences.
I don't know if this man deserved prison for what he actually did.
I was not a witness to what he did, and neither were you.

 

[ElfsborgAddick]

I don't know what specific offence he was convicted of. And I'm not a lawyer.
But I understand that the institutions representing civil order must send the strongest possible message that lawlessness and mob rule on the streets, and aggression threatening violence against Police officers, will not be tolerated.
That may mean harsh sentences.
I don't know if this man deserved prison for what he actually did.
I was not a witness to what he did, and neither were you.

Not always the case.

 

[lardiman]

Amaaz appeared via video link from prison. He was remanded in custody last year after being convicted at the first trial of three counts of assault over the incident at the airport, including assaults on two other officers. Amaad, who was found not guilty at the same trial, sat in court.

So Amaaz was convicted and sent to prison.
Looks like some kind of justice to me.

As for the collapse of two trials and the refusal to hold a third one? I agree that does not look good at all.
I assume there must have been legal reasons rather than political ones.
We may have to disagree on that point going forward, as I think it is very unlikely we will ever know all the details.

 

[lardiman]

Not always the case.

So if one of the officers Bishop was chasing with the traffic cone had fallen over, allowing him to catch up, what would more likely have been Bishop's next action?

1. Bishop perches the cone lightly on the Copper's head, helps him back to his feet and takes a smiling selfie with him?
2. Bishop uses the cone to bash the Copper over the head or elsewhere. To assault him with it.

Given that this was a street riot rather than an open day at the local police station, I fancy it might have been option 2.
Granted, the actual assault did not happen.
And again I'm not a lawyer. But I think there was sufficient grounds for hostile intent to be accepted beyond reasonable doubt.

 

[ElfsborgAddick]

So if one of the officers Bishop was chasing with the traffic cone had fallen over, allowing him to catch up, what would more likely have been Bishop's next action?

1. Bishop perches the cone lightly on the Copper's head, helps him back to his feet and takes a smiling selfie with him?
2. Bishop uses the cone to bash the Copper over the head or elsewhere. To assault him with it.

Given that this was a street riot rather than an open day at the local police station, I fancy it might have been option 2.
Granted, the actual assault did not happen.
And again I'm not a lawyer. But I think there was sufficient grounds for hostile intent to be accepted beyond reasonable doubt.

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[lardiman]

Anyone getting involved in a riot takes their chances.

I understand that in most other parts of Europe the Police would have charged with batons swinging and broken a few dozen heads.

 

[TwoWrights]

The worst riots/looting in the country a couple of years ago were in my home city. Those arrested and charged got hammered in the courts, that sent a clear message out. Those that have now ignored the message have only themselves to blame.
Abridged version, tough titty.

 

[Ubedizzytoo]

This is very interesting. I wonder if the UK Government will ever again give its people a chance to vote in a referendum.

It’s just what we need in this country - a limit to the overal population.

Switzerland to vote on plan to cap population at 10 million

The right-wing Swiss People's Party calls the plan a "sustainability initiative", but opponents say it is a recipe for chaos.

www.bbc.co.uk

I’ll start the ball rolling by proposing a limit of 65 million.

 

[Ponders Revisited]

This is very interesting. I wonder if the UK Government will ever again give its people a chance to vote in a referendum.

It’s just what we need in this country - a limit to the overal population.

Switzerland to vote on plan to cap population at 10 million

The right-wing Swiss People's Party calls the plan a "sustainability initiative", but opponents say it is a recipe for chaos.

www.bbc.co.uk

I’ll start the ball rolling by proposing a limit of 65 million.

I'd go 55 million.

 

[Ubedizzytoo]

I'd go 55 million.

Interestingly that would put us back to the population that we had when we last won the World Cup.

Was the country a better place back then ?

Too bloody right it was.

 

[lardiman]

10 million.

If it's good enough for Switzerland it's good enough for the UK.
Norway is one of the nicest places in the World to live so I have heard.
Population?
Under 6 million.

The excess 60 million on these Islands can leave, or be recycled as fertiliser. Or scarecrows.
In case you were wondering which 10 million would remain?
The richest 10 million, of course.

 

[TwoWrights]

Interestingly that would put us back to the population that we had when we last won the World Cup.

Was the country a better place back then ?

Too bloody right it was.

Indeed, slum landlords, Cathy Come Home, back street abortions, homosexuality illegal, no blacks Irish or dogs, 'superb' tower blocks shoved up, unmarried mother having new borns snatched from them, protection rackets, plod abusing the sus law, et al. Great times.


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