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Haaland and Gyokeres would be at the same level playing up front for us? Christ.
I think so - but not for the same reasons as Jay. I think it's true because we have no creativity and are too slow getting the ball forward. We could have prime Ronaldo and would still be **** creatively - if he isn't getting the ball he can't do ****.
 
Kroupi and Rogers would be brilliant signings

PL proven and would undoubtedly strengthen our attack

As much as I love Martinelli, his end product isn't consistent enough for the level we want to be at

Jesus looks like he will be sold too, so that's two attacking positions that we need to upgrade on.
Martinelli was bordering world class in 2022/23, he has suffered with the loss of Xhaka so he is always double teamed and has no overlapping fullback.

Replacing Martinelli ignores the root cause of the problem on that side - Trossard has also suffered. So buying whoever you want won't help, Martinelli is not the problem, the system is the problem.
 
Martinelli was bordering world class in 2022/23, he has suffered with the loss of Xhaka so he is always double teamed and has no overlapping fullback.

Replacing Martinelli ignores the root cause of the problem on that side - Trossard has also suffered. So buying whoever you want won't help, Martinelli is not the problem, the system is the problem.

Dunno about that.

I love Martinelli, but his end product is often not good enough

That's not about the system, as he's got the pace to skin fullbacks and get himself into brilliant positions

It's his final ball that is sometimes lacking

I'm being a bit harsh here, he can and does at times produce some scintillating football

But is it often enough at the level we want ?
 
Two examples of why Martinelli will never be good enough to start for this club. Holy ****, only really noticed that if he passed that first time to Gyokeres, he would have been in 1-on-1 with the keeper. Urgh.

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Dunno about that.

I love Martinelli, but his end product is often not good enough

That's not about the system, as he's got the pace to skin fullbacks and get himself into brilliant positions

It's his final ball that is sometimes lacking

I'm being a bit harsh here, he can and does at times produce some scintillating football

But is it often enough at the level we want ?
I look at how we played as a team in 2022/23 and 2023/24 - 2022/23 being the best football we have played since prime Wenger was winning league titles. It was on a par. I think the system is the problem because both Trossard and Martinelli's level dropped massively in the previous 2 seasons as well as Odegaard's, with Saka's level plummeting this season. So what's changed for all of these players to be woefully underperforming??

I already answered that. No urgency to get the ball forward, no overlapping full backs (instead they invert and provide an extra man in midfield). It means both wide forwards are permanently double teamed. The difference is Odegaard is camped on the right side so at least gives Saka an option of some kind. Often Martinelli has no option whatsoever, he is missing Xhaka more than Xhaka's own missus misses him!

Yes Martinelli has made poor decisions at times but we have seen what he can do when given the right platform, the platform he has now is ****e. He needs Calafiori galloping past on the overlap and he needs MLS near by to play some cute through balls for Nelly to run onto in the box.
 
When was the last time we saw Martinelli run into the box on to a through ball to have a first time shot? Its always a counter attack (which are few and far between), never when we have created an opening at the edge of their box or even inside, unless it's some fortunate ricochet.
 
All this talk about low blocks is nonsense ,- not saying your post is nonsense but the general consensus that everyone is suffering because of it. Not true at all. The low block is no different to parking the bus so its been around for decades !

The difference is there are far fewer good-to-top players now than there was when Mourinho first joined Chelsea. How did Arsenal, Chelsea and Man U deal with the low block then?

You beat a low block by crisp passing and movement, you also beat it by beating players when running with the ball, other players have to then engage you which creates space.

Arsenal do not pass the ball well enough thats why we struggle, we don't have any vision in midfield, a Cazorla, Ozil or Fabregas, we dont have anyone in midfield to run past players with the ball like Partey and Wilshire used to do. So its all static movement and predictable passing patterns, PSG are guilty of the same. First half the Karavatskila bredda got no change at all from Mosquera, but look at what ended up breaking our defence - a simple "one/two".

Parking the bus was the same.
It wasn’t ‘dealt with’ back then.
More goals are being scored now than then.
Winning the title means we dealt with it this year.

The point was that PSG struggled to break it down and all of a sudden their forwards looked very average.
That would be their world if they played in the PL. Average

It’s all pretty obvious.
Players bang in goals for fun in weaker leagues , then their productivity drops off in the PL.
Our players score more often outside the PL.

It’s because it’s dramatically more difficult for forwards in the PL and judging players tearing it up in foreign leagues is not possible.
 
I look at how we played as a team in 2022/23 and 2023/24 - 2022/23 being the best football we have played since prime Wenger was winning league titles. It was on a par. I think the system is the problem because both Trossard and Martinelli's level dropped massively in the previous 2 seasons as well as Odegaard's, with Saka's level plummeting this season. So what's changed for all of these players to be woefully underperforming??

I already answered that. No urgency to get the ball forward, no overlapping full backs (instead they invert and provide an extra man in midfield). It means both wide forwards are permanently double teamed. The difference is Odegaard is camped on the right side so at least gives Saka an option of some kind. Often Martinelli has no option whatsoever, he is missing Xhaka more than Xhaka's own missus misses him!

Yes Martinelli has made poor decisions at times but we have seen what he can do when given the right platform, the platform he has now is ****e. He needs Calafiori galloping past on the overlap and he needs MLS near by to play some cute through balls for Nelly to run onto in the box.

Well Odegaard and Saka were injured for large parts of this season, so that explains their poor form. And Trossard actually had a decent campaign scoring some vital goals for us.

I take your point about the system not really suiting the style of play of Martinelli, but it's not just that he's not had as many opportunities, it's when he does get them, his decision making and final ball is lacking too often.
 
When was the last time we saw Martinelli run into the box on to a through ball to have a first time shot? Its always a counter attack (which are few and far between), never when we have created an opening at the edge of their box or even inside, unless it's some fortunate ricochet.

Against Burnley, he was through, but got caught by Kyle Walker

I know Walker is fast, but it made me wonder if Martinelli has actually lost a yard of pace
 
Two examples of why Martinelli will never be good enough to start for this club. Holy ****, only really noticed that if he passed that first time to Gyokeres, he would have been in 1-on-1 with the keeper. Urgh.

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These kind of posts are absolutely dumb.
You can find examples for every player in the world ever where they made poor decisions or executed poorly.

Martinelli contributed more goals as a squad player than most other forwards across Europe who had similar game time.

24 yr old with nearly 100 g+a PLUS a perfect team player, and some of our moronic fans are trying to drive him out of the club.
The only reason we were even in the CL final was because of Martinelli.
 
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These kind of posts are absolutely dumb.
You can find examples for every player in the world ever where they made poor decisions or executed poorly.

Martinelli contributed more goals as a squad player than most other forwards across Europe who had similar game time.

24 yr old with nearly 100 g+a PLUS a perfect team player, and some of our moronic fans are trying to drive him out of the club.
The only reason we were even in the CL final was because of Martinelli.
Well yes, of course you could find examples of lots of players doing unimpressive things, so of course it's overly simplistic. But Martinelli does that sort of stuff all the time so those are two examples of many. He's not good enough of a dribbler OR creative enough to supply to be a starting player. But I also prefer Trossard overall, which is why I'd rather sell Martinelli as he'd generate more money for us.

You also can't say a post is dumb and then say that Martinelli is the ONLY reason we got to the CL final. That's even more dumb.
 
Well yes, of course you could find examples of lots of players doing unimpressive things, so of course it's overly simplistic. But Martinelli does that sort of stuff all the time so those are two examples of many. He's not good enough of a dribbler OR creative enough to supply to be a starting player. But I also prefer Trossard overall, which is why I'd rather sell Martinelli as he'd generate more money for us.

You also can't say a post is dumb and then say that Martinelli is the ONLY reason we got to the CL final. That's even more dumb.
For me it depends on profile. If they are signing Rogers - then selling Trossard would make more sense. Because the profiles are more similar.
If we were signing someone like Barcola or Leao then selling Martinelli would be the better choice.

Martinelli is good finisher, he's also technically decent - The worry with him is 4-5 years ago he was looking potentially elite and hasn't really progressed at all from then.
 
Just got back from August...

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I don't get Livramento - How's that any better than White? I mean I like him, he's decent - just seems like change for changes sake. Also lets be honest Timber is well ahead of either of them.

But Kvartschelia would be perfect for us as would dare I say it...Mbappe.
 
I don't get Livramento - How's that any better than White? I mean I like him, he's decent - just seems like change for changes sake. Also lets be honest Timber is well ahead of either of them.

But Kvartschelia would be perfect for us as would dare I say it...Mbappe.
Well, I don't get Livra as a starter anyway for sure. He'd be my choice to replace White as the 2nd right back though, who's body it would appear has finally broken and he can't stay fit. We need availability and White doesn't cut the mustard anymore. I really like Maxi Araujo but shame he's a leftie. Kayode might be a cheaper option too, and one who might be happier being a squad player.

What we need more importantly though is enough of our four attackers to be goal threats that defenders fear them all, rather than just Saka. At the moment, the only only they worry about and double-mark is Saka. If we also had someone on the left they were equally worried about, as well as a #10 and/or #9 they were truly worried about then they couldn't double-mark them all. That's when it makes it slightly easier to move the ball forward. More options for availability. At the moment, it's a case of passing to Saka, or basically assuming the ball is going to be lost quite easily and be back at you in 10 seconds. Khvara is never happening, but if we had Rodgers, Kroupi AND Saka, then that's multiple ball-striking, ball-carrying, goal threats. Never seen Diomande play but his metrics look incredible (albeit only in the Bundesliga) so there must be (maybe) something there with him too. Could be an expensive incredible gamble that could play off.

That break away with Martinelli, Gyokeres and Madueke against PSG late-on.... if that was Liverpool from 6 years ago, defenders would have shat the bed with Salah, Mane, Firmino bearing down on them. We need that pacey, ball-carrying, goal-threat up top. I watch that counter-attack back and all I have is zero confidence anything is happening other then us losing the ball. If Liverpool from 6 years ago were countering from that position, I'd be confident that they'd have that in the back of the net within 10 seconds.
 
Well, I don't get Livra as a starter anyway for sure. He'd be my choice to replace White as the 2nd right back though, who's body it would appear has finally broken and he can't stay fit. We need availability and White doesn't cut the mustard anymore. I really like Maxi Araujo but shame he's a leftie. Kayode might be a cheaper option too, and one who might be happier being a squad player.

What we need more importantly though is enough of our four attackers to be goal threats that defenders fear them all, rather than just Saka. At the moment, the only only they worry about and double-mark is Saka. If we also had someone on the left they were equally worried about, as well as a #10 and/or #9 they were truly worried about then they couldn't double-mark them all. That's when it makes it slightly easier to move the ball forward. More options for availability. At the moment, it's a case of passing to Saka, or basically assuming the ball is going to be lost quite easily and be back at you in 10 seconds. Khvara is never happening, but if we had Rodgers, Kroupi AND Saka, then that's multiple ball-striking, ball-carrying, goal threats. Never seen Diomande play but his metrics look incredible (albeit only in the Bundesliga) so there must be (maybe) something there with him too. Could be an expensive incredible gamble that could play off.

That break away with Martinelli, Gyokeres and Madueke against PSG late-on.... if that was Liverpool from 6 years ago, defenders would have shat the bed with Salah, Mane, Firmino bearing down on them. We need that pacey, ball-carrying, goal-threat up top. I watch that counter-attack back and all I have is zero confidence anything is happening other then us losing the ball. If Liverpool from 6 years ago were countering from that position, I'd be confident that they'd have that in the back of the net within 10 seconds.

Havertz hasn't been fit but actually has 12g/a in 1088 mins of football - so that's less than 90 mins per goal/assist - which is excellent.
Gyokeres is just soo bad technically, but works soo hard and strikes the ball soo well - I don't know what to think about him really. 21 goals is decent but unlike Havertz I cant see him scoring in the bigger games against the best sides.

Yeah for me - Martinelli has been disappointment this year. (again)

I think if we want to elevate the side there's only three obvious places up for grabs (shows how strong the team is)

1. LWF - Someone of Sakas quality on the left is what we really need. A goalscorer on this side of the pitch.
Kvartschelia - The obvious candidate, unlikley to leave PSG though let's be honest.
Mbappe - I know, I know.. high wages, arrogant..but look at the goals. Who else can score you 40+ goals from the LW? Absolutely no-one.
Rogers - Good in big games, physical presence, perhaps more of a 10 though. No adapting to EPL time needed.

2. CF - Its unlikely we sell Gyokeres or Havertz so a different profile to these two would be smart.
Kroupi - Can also play on the wing, High ceiling for sure. 16 goals last Season at just 19 years of age.
Alvarez - Very similar profile to Gabby Jesus but with a much better goalscoring record. Strikes the ball well, good all round footballer and can also play as 10.
Igor Thiago - Similar to Gyokeres honestly - decent record at Brentford last Season. 22 goals, 2 assists still only 24.

3. CM - I think with Rice as a 6 we need an all rounder who can chip in with goals, create and help out defensively. It's important this player offers us more creatively.
Valverde - Multiple times UCL winner at Madrid, great all-rounder has a canon of a left foot.
Tonali - technically good, EPL ready. Fairly defensive though and often plays as a 6.
Olmo - More of a number 10 but technically excellent, glides with the ball - downside is his injury record.
 
Well Odegaard and Saka were injured for large parts of this season, so that explains their poor form. And Trossard actually had a decent campaign scoring some vital goals for us.

I take your point about the system not really suiting the style of play of Martinelli, but it's not just that he's not had as many opportunities, it's when he does get them, his decision making and final ball is lacking too often.
Odegaard was **** last season too.