Southampton have been expelled from the play-offs...

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I think the 4 points deduction has been given on the understanding that when Soton appeal theyll have it removed. If Soton win the appeal fully then Boro will appeal surely?
You might be right about the four pointer being the token to be removed after any appeal.

But, Southampton should tread carefully here . It looks like they have no clear thinkers in charge.

The can of worms is only just cracked open. There may be more once people are put on the spot and speak openly.
 
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Yeah, it was three judges who made the judgement Smug, but I'm not sure about their Terms of Reference. The Terms of Reference would have been issued by the commissioning body, which I would think would be the EFL.

Just a wild guess but I'd assume the Terms of Reference say, 'Don't keep trespassing on private land to gain an advantage on your opponents' ...

... or words to that effect.

They're cheats and don't deserve to benefit from cheating. If Sunderland had done that against Coventry and Sheff Utd I'd see that achievement as tainted and wouldn't feel the same about our club tbh.
 
So not only were they caught cheating during the final exams theyve admitted copying the coursework as well. Alot of them seem to be directing their anger at the EFL, Boro, Steve Gibson. They need to direct their anger at their own club. Some are demanding a refund on every single penny theyve spent on following them this season. However Im not sure whether they are directing this at their club or the EFL.
Spot on. Their fans are furious, but they should be looking at their club, who are still behaving in the most ridiculous tin eared way.

I hope the EFL keep sight of their new found spine and sanction Southampton another ten points for a frivolous appeal.
 
Just a wild guess but I'd assume the Terms of Reference say, 'Don't keep trespassing on private land to gain an advantage on your opponents' ...

... or words to that effect.

They're cheats and don't deserve to benefit from cheating. If Sunderland had done that against Coventry and Sheff Utd I'd see that achievement as tainted and wouldn't feel the same about our club tbh.
Spot on mate, I have no sympathy with them, especially the way some of their players went on during the second leg
 
It should be Hull promoted really as Southampton are their opponents and they've been expelled. Putting Boro in so they don't lose their Wembley money spinner.
I can see your argument (and agree with it!), but the principal is that they cheated Boro in the first leg who may have won (probably the first leg, but the spying might have affected the second leg as well) their play off matches, and as the competition isn't over they have to forfeit their place in the final. It's a mess really and some senior people at Southampton need to pay for it.
 
Who would people prefer up now. Reckon any could threaten staying up next season?
 
Who would people prefer up now. Reckon any could threaten staying up next season?
Nowt against Boro personally, so hope it's them.

Mind, I heard an interview with the Hull owner recently, who I'd though was a nutter. He isnt! It was very balanced and reasonable.

But Boro for me.
 
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I think the 4 points deduction has been given on the understanding that when Soton appeal theyll have it removed. If Soton win the appeal fully then Boro will appeal surely?
Apparently they can't. Only Southampton have the right to appeal, even though it affects Boro just as much as them.

Good that the 4 points are there for the appeal reduction as others point out.

I didn't see any other outcome to be honest.

aside: somewhat unrelated but even though I want Tottenham to go down I still haven't forgiven the league for not relegating West Ham over the Teva thing. I think they have been down and up since then, but it should a have been them yo-yoing for 10 years and not Sheff U who were sent down instead. Maybe they can start that tonight.
 
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Texts from my colleagues so far

“You’re going to go fishing tomorrow aren’t you?”
“Going to find away to get my teams music to be the James Bond theme”
“Is Turing up in an Aston Martin, 3 piece suit and martini overkill?”
“How many jokes will be too many and get me into trouble”
“Getting my binoculars cleaned”
 
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Hull deserve their day at Wembley and Boro didn't deserve being spied on thereby having their plans disrupted.

Hull would've had to have played Southampton, in any case, so it's not a hammer blow having to play Boro.

And, being selfish, I'm now looking forward to the game whereas I wouldn't have watched Southampton play.

I can see your argument (and agree with it!), but the principal is that they cheated Boro in the first leg who may have won (probably the first leg, but the spying might have affected the second leg as well) their play off matches, and as the competition isn't over they have to forfeit their place in the final. It's a mess really and some senior people at Southampton need to pay for it.
Have they been sanctioned for just spying on Boro or is it a broader punishment for breaking EFL rules rather than an offense with a specific victim?

When Swindon were kicked out was it for an offense against us in the final or a something previously?
 
Have they been sanctioned for just spying on Boro or is it a broader punishment for breaking EFL rules rather than an offense with a specific victim?

When Swindon were kicked out was it for an offense against us in the final or a something previously?
Swindon were fiddling the books throughout the season so nothing to do with Sunderland.

As far as Southampton are concerned, spying on your opponents is breaking EFL rules ...

... the fact they've, so far, been found to have done that against three teams is enough to condemn them.

As it happens I'd expect the entire Championship is going through their CCTV, who knows what they might find.
 
Swindon were fiddling the books throughout the season so nothing to do with Sunderland.

As far as Southampton are concerned, spying on your opponents is breaking EFL rules ...

... the fact they've, so far, been found to have done that against three teams is enough to condemn them.

As it happens I'd expect the entire Championship is going through their CCTV, who knows what they might find.
I’d guess it hasn’t been the first time.