Saints expelled from Play Offs by EFL

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The longer this goes on the more it stinks of opportunism and desperation by Boro because they lost a tie they should have won in the first leg.

"Evidence" is being trickled out.and fed to the Daily Mail. A receipt for coffee from a golf course. A photo of a man filming who isn't on a golf course, instead.he's now outside the gate of the training ground. Other clubs are now accusing Saints of spying.

Is any "evidence" not being leaked to the press by Boro?

If Boro won the tie, would they still be going on about it? Of course they wouldn't.

Is there any actual irrefutable evidence?
 
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SoriaSaints said:
The longer this goes on the more it stinks of opportunism and desperation by Boro because they lost a tie they should have won in the first leg.

"Evidence" is being trickled out.and fed to the Daily Mail. A receipt for coffee from a golf course. A photo of a man filming who isn't on a golf course, instead.he's now outside the gate of the training ground. Other clubs are now accusing Saints of spying.

Is any "evidence" not being leaked to the press by Boro?

If Boro won the tie, would they still be going on about it? Of course they wouldn't.

Is there any actual irrefutable evidence?
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Let's not go down that route. Yes, we're clearly guilty here. Alfie House has said we're not disputing the charges. We just want a proportionate punishment at this stage.
 
SoriaSaints said:
The longer this goes on the more it stinks of opportunism and desperation by Boro because they lost a tie they should have won in the first leg.

"Evidence" is being trickled out.and fed to the Daily Mail. A receipt for coffee from a golf course. A photo of a man filming who isn't on a golf course, instead.he's now outside the gate of the training ground. Other clubs are now accusing Saints of spying.

Is any "evidence" not being leaked to the press by Boro?

If Boro won the tie, would they still be going on about it? Of course they wouldn't.

Is there any actual irrefutable evidence?
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Well the bloke stood with his phone at the training ground is pretty irrefutable evidence I'd say.

We've definitely done it. It just doesn't for a second mean we'll be booted out of the play offs.
 
Libby said:
It's so sad but I truly can't wait to read the Boro forum when reality hits.

The team for the final fred will be a good place to start.
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I’m disappointed that at least one Boro fan hasn’t gone on that thread and posted :

Peretz
Bree
Harwood Bellis
Stephens
Manning
Downes
Jander
Matsuki
Azaz
Scienza
Stewart

Just for the banter. At least one person on both our main forums would do the reverse
 
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Libby said:
In fairness even the loons on FMTTM think that One Boro is full of weirdos and fake ITK's.
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The impression I got was OneBoro was closer to this forum and FMTTM was more like Saintsweb. But clearly more unhinged so closer to ugly inside maybe
 
Having read that oneboro forum in its entirety, you can easily tell the 'ITK' poster is just an avid twitter/ reddit/ forum reader and making (ill)educated guesses.

I'm also fairly certain that the golf club can get in a lot of trouble here, I used to be the data controller for my last work and GDPR breaches are no joke. If it is as it seems, and the golf course has confirmed the identity via transaction records to support a vigilante investigation for a non legal matter and leaked through Gibson to the press. They could in theory be hit with a fine bigger than we are...
 
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fran-MLs little camera said:
In worst case scenario, if Tonda knew and we get kicked out of a possible massive promotion…will the board stick with him for another season in the Championship (with possible points deficit) or sack him for massive blunder. Lot of ifs in there, I know.
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I think it might depend on the level of his involvement. If he sanctioned it, for me he’s got to go but if he was just complicit then maybe he would be able to continue. Either way he will have damaged his own reputation. Lots of ifs though as you say.
 
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fran-MLs little camera said:
In worst case scenario, if Tonda knew and we get kicked out of a possible massive promotion…will the board stick with him for another season in the Championship (with possible points deficit) or sack him for massive blunder. Lot of ifs in there, I know.
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Sack him .

Keeping him could lead to sponsorship issues , trust issues , players not wanting to come here issues and FWIW I could never forgive him .
 
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EasyBreezer said:
Having read that oneboro forum in its entirety, you can easily tell the 'ITK' poster is just an avid twitter/ reddit/ forum reader and making (ill)educated guesses.

I'm also fairly certain that the golf club can get in a lot of trouble here, I used to be the data controller for my last work and GDPR breaches are no joke. If it is as it seems, and the golf course has confirmed the identity via transaction records to support a vigilante investigation for a non legal matter and leaked through Gibson to the press. They could in theory be hit with a fine bigger than we are...
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I don't think it will be transaction records but releasing an image of what's essentially a customer to the press seems pretty dodgy itself.
 
Given that the EFL in all their wisdom didn't put in place any framework around what happens if you break said rules, it seems to me that the case will be determined by whether it's provable that we've done it before this season and the level at which is was organised.

I too, find it very difficult to believe that Tonda wasn't aware or signed off on it. We obviously knew we shouldn't be doing it as the bloke was trying to hide behind the tree.

That being said, any possible punishment will look at previous cases. Whilst plenty have mentioned Leeds and Canada's women, there was also another occurrence by Canada's men team (a few weeks prior to the women's team) where they were using a drone to record a closed training session. For the men's team, they got a fine and the accreditation was removed from the member of staff that was caught. What's also interesting is that in the Canadian women's case, the police were the ones that referred the incident to the IOC as drone operation to record people is illegal. Additionally, there was proof that the women's team had done the same thing at different times. This probably had some bearing on the severity of the punishment dealt to the women's team.
 
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