Saints expelled from Play Offs by EFL

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Puck said:
If he wasn't sent by someone more senior at the club then they should probably have sacked him by now. That way they can legitimately say to the EFL that we've arranged done everything we can to address - it this was a rogue individual, we're shocked at his behaviour and he's been dismissed. Maybe throw in some training for all staff on ethics and the EFL rulebook as well.
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Yes that, unfortunately for him, might be the outcome but I would hope that could be avoided. If he was a politician, we could bring him back into the fold in 6 months time.

Another question is, if it was found that Tonda was complicit do we think he should be removed from the manager's post?
While I think that this scandal has brought the club a huge amount of bad publicity and has angered a lot of fans, I hope the senior management would look at what are the best interests of the club rather than playing to the crowd. Normally I would be in favour of any manager responsible for serious misdemeanors to be let go but from my point of view as a fan, as long as it's not illegal, we have to look after ourselves.
Afterall this is football, hardly the most principled of organisations.
 
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doritoharv said:
He may just have him on CCTV using it. That in itself is probably no big issue.

The venue is most likely to be using a payment gateway provider for financial transactions (e.g. Worldpay). Having worked with these through my own role, they are effectively black box processes that simply request payment and confirm it back (and thus to release the product/service). Any detail of the card transaction itself is kept within the payment gateway provider - the business doesn't receive this information. By doing that, it takes any stresses of retaining financial transaction away from the business itself (i.e. retaining that information in an ISO certified, secure manner, for X years)
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Yeah that's correct, all card/apple/GPay transactions are approved or declined via an acquiring bank (IE Worldpay,Evo etc) the business only have access to their own funds rather than the customers details.
 
SaintElliot said:
So the Daily Mail claim they have the analysts name on the receipt of the club house where he purchased a coffee. If true, and it's reportedly all owned by Boro owner Gibson, that's a massive GDPR breach, right?
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No receipts produced by any POS terminals can include the customers name as it breaks GDPR (I work in this field)
 
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It'sOnlyAGame said:
Yes that, unfortunately for him, might be the outcome but I would hope that could be avoided. If he was a politician, we could bring him back into the fold in 6 months time.

Another question is, if it was found that Tonda was complicit do we think he should be removed from the manager's post?
While I think that this scandal has brought the club a huge amount of bad publicity and has angered a lot of fans, I hope the senior management would look at what are the best interests of the club rather than playing to the crowd. Normally I would be in favour of any manager responsible for serious misdemeanors to be let go but from my point of view as a fan, as long as it's not illegal, we have to look after ourselves.
Afterall this is football, hardly the most principled of organisations.
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If that's what's happened then, unfortunate for him or not, the club should sack him. It's what's in the interests of the club as a whole. Sacking him would help the club avoid a more serious punishment and, whatever the context (no his intentions may not have been bad, no he may not have appreciated what he was doing) the fact is he would have done something stupid that's caused a huge media ****storm and jeopardised our chances of promotion (even if you accept the EFL won't throw us out of the play offs for this it must have been a huge distraction). As I say, I don't think that's what happened. I'm fairly sure somebody more senior knew about it.

I have no idea what Tonda knew but it's possible any decision about that will be taken out of hands. It's possible the decision makers will want to make an example of somebody and, while we've had long discussions on this thread about the possible problems for the EFL if they throw us out of the play offs, if they gave 3 or 4 of our staff (including Tonda) fairly long bans from football, say a year each, then there's much less chance of them facing legal action.
 
This might be a laugh.

So the Intern got a coffee using his personal bank card at the Golf Club by the training ground.

Apparently there is some concerted effort to try and dig up his transaction history to see if he has been near other training grounds.

However this would be a GDPR breach and the punishment for that would be mega.

Imagine if Rockliffe Hall Golf Club ends up with a larger fine than we do over spygate.
 
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timatoketchup said:
Yeah that's correct, all card/apple/GPay transactions are approved or declined via an acquiring bank (IE Worldpay,Evo etc) the business only have access to their own funds rather than the customers details.
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Yeah the more I think about it what they mean by that is that he's on CCTV paying for a coffee with a card but the Mail have framed to make it sound like something more to make people (like me!) jump to the wrong conclusion.
 
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Shandy_top_89 said:
This might be a laugh.

So the Intern got a coffee using his personal bank card at the Golf Club by the training ground.

Apparently there is some concerted effort to try and dig up his transaction history to see if he has been near other training grounds.

However this would be a GDPR breach and the punishment for that would be mega.

Imagine if Rockliffe Hall Golf Club ends up with a larger fine than we do over spygate.
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I just don’t understand why they are basically conducting their own private investigation on this. And why they are even allowed to
 
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It might actually be in Southampton's best interest to let the media stories come out, and then they just contradict each other time after time. That alone is showing a pattern of someone briefing the press/embellishing stories, which might well fall under one of the same charges we are charged with.
 
Puck said:
If that's what's happened then, unfortunate for him or not, the club should sack him. It's what's in the interests of the club as a whole. Sacking him would help the club avoid a more serious punishment and, whatever the context (no his intentions may not have been bad, no he may not have appreciated what he was doing) the fact is he would have done something stupid that's caused a huge media ****storm and jeopardised our chances of promotion (even if you accept the EFL won't throw us out of the play offs for this it must have been a huge distraction). As I say, I don't think that's what happened. I'm fairly sure somebody more senior knew about it.

I have no idea what Tonda knew but it's possible any decision about that will be taken out of hands. It's possible the decision makers will want to make an example of somebody and, while we've had long discussions on this thread about the possible problems for the EFL if they throw us out of the play offs, if they gave 3 or 4 of our staff (including Tonda) fairly long bans from football, say a year each, then there's much less chance of them facing legal action.
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I would absolutely hate that to happen, but if it did and we still won the final, we should try and get Hellberg from Boro for our PL push...
 
Shandy_top_89 said:
Oh this would be far more illegal than anything we have done.
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I’m not sure they should even be allowed to ask around other clubs for evidence we’ve spied on them. Is that the remit of this investigation for one? And for two - is it their remit to gather this evidence when they clearly aren’t impartial actors
 
Le Tissier's Laces said:
I would absolutely hate that to happen, but if it did and we still won the final, we should try and get Hellberg from Boro for our PL push...
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Manager that took them from 2nd to 5th and oversaw their appalling form in the second half of the season? I know this was a tongue in cheek comment but even still …
 
fran-MLs little camera said:
One report has Boro’s manager nearly in tears saying that if he hadn’t found this out he would be thinking he had done something wrong. Excuse me, he had two matches to secure a win…surely he can’t put all the blame on a couple of photos. Get a grip.
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And the 2 wins out of 12 matches during the run in to the regular season, they blew it big time,.
 
Gregm1988 said:
I’m not sure they should even be allowed to ask around other clubs for evidence we’ve spied on them. Is that the remit of this investigation for one? And for two - is it their remit to gather this evidence when they clearly aren’t impartial actors
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There is one thing to ask around.

It is another if Steve Gibson's business has leaked the Intern's bank details to try and get a paper trail of transactions.

That is a breach of GDPR and mega illegal if it has happened.
 
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