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PowerSpurs said:
However Spurs did much better than that for about 15 consecutive seasons and that outcome was unacceptable to the fans.
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I don’t think fans saw it as unacceptable, there was just an understandable urge from fans to occasionally try to sign a top tier player to accompany a lot of the ones we bought with the “buy low, sell high” philosophy in order to really try and get over that trophy line.

Nowadays we buy high and sell low… sometimes we don’t even sell, we just release and we’re on the verge of relegation for it.

I’m not sure how a club who used to be so meticulous and relatively successful with recruitment done a complete 180 and decided spending the likes of £60m on Richarlison, £65m on Solanke, £50m on Simons and £35m-£40m on Gallagher was a good idea.
 
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Dier Hard said:
I don’t think fans saw it as unacceptable, there was just an understandable urge from fans to occasionally try to sign a top tier player to accompany a lot of the ones we bought with the “buy low, sell high” philosophy in order to really try and get over that trophy line.

Nowadays we buy high and sell low… sometimes we don’t even sell, we just release and we’re on the verge of relegation for it.

I’m not sure how a club who used to be so meticulous and relatively successful with recruitment done a complete 180 and decided spending the likes of £60m on Richarlison, £65m on Solanke, £50m on Simons and £35m-£40m on Gallagher was a good idea.
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I just think we are in a perfect storm currently. I reckon we would be bottom of a table of points won or lost because of refereeing decisions. My back of the envelope calculation says that the difference between that and being average is about 10 points. Having the most injuries has probably cost us another 10 compared to average. If we had 20 points more we would be challenging for the CL positions.
 
PowerSpurs said:
I just think we are in a perfect storm currently. I reckon we would be bottom of a table of points won or lost because of refereeing decisions. My back of the envelope calculation says that the difference between that and being average is about 10 points. Having the most injuries has probably cost us another 10 compared to average. If we had 20 points more we would be challenging for the CL positions.
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I find it too difficult to judge on refereeing decisions because you’d need to analyse every team in the league and see how they’ve fared with them. There’s also many subjective calls too, instances where we’d demand it for our own team but say not a chance for opposition.

Injuries have certainly played their fair share, albeit bad coaching over the last three seasons has been as big, if not a bigger issue.

But equally the inadequacy of our board over the last 6 or so years has finally culminated in a situation where we’re favourites for the final relegation spot. We’ve probably gone from being one of the most well run sides in terms of recruitment to being pound for pound the worst in this 6-7 year period. Overspending on relegation calibre players like Richarlison, Solanke, Gallagher, Odobert, Tel and many before them has come back to bite us, the warning signs were there when we were persisting with players like Winks for too long, now we’re spending £50m-£60m to sign players of his calibre. It’s absolutely bonkers and the scariest thing is many of our fans knew we were getting these transfers wrong, yet those in power somehow thought differently.

As I’ve said before, I truly find it scary we’ve allowed ourselves to be run by utter idiots with zero footballing intelligence.
 
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Dier Hard said:
I find it too difficult to judge on refereeing decisions because you’d need to analyse every team in the league and see how they’ve fared with them. There’s also many subjective calls too, instances where we’d demand it for our own team but say not a chance for opposition.

Injuries have certainly played their fair share, albeit bad coaching over the last three seasons has been as big, if not a bigger issue.

But equally the inadequacy of our board over the last 6 or so years has finally culminated in a situation where we’re favourites for the final relegation spot. We’ve probably gone from being one of the most well run sides in terms of recruitment to being pound for pound the worst in this 6-7 year period. Overspending on relegation calibre players like Richarlison, Solanke, Gallagher, Odobert, Tel and many before them has come back to bite us, the warning signs were there when we were persisting with players like Winks for too long, now we’re spending £50m-£60m to sign players of his calibre. It’s absolutely bonkers and the scariest thing is many of our fans knew we were getting these transfers wrong, yet those in power somehow thought differently.

As I’ve said before, I truly find it scary we’ve allowed ourselves to be run by utter idiots with zero footballing intelligence.
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Winkiesta still catching strays <laugh>
 
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Dier Hard said:
I don’t think fans saw it as unacceptable, there was just an understandable urge from fans to occasionally try to sign a top tier player to accompany a lot of the ones we bought with the “buy low, sell high” philosophy in order to really try and get over that trophy line.

Nowadays we buy high and sell low… sometimes we don’t even sell, we just release and we’re on the verge of relegation for it.

I’m not sure how a club who used to be so meticulous
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Is that actually true ??

There have been some good signings over the ENIC era,
but IMHO that has been more shaped by transfer/wage
fee envelopes rather than forensic assessment of a player.
 
The RDBD said:
Is that actually true ??

There have been some good signings over the ENIC era,
but IMHO that has been more shaped by transfer/wage
fee envelopes rather than forensic assessment of a player.
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Realistically we also have to look at the third variable after transfer fees and wages: agent's fees

You just have to look at the PL clubs which pay the most in agent's fees every summer - nearly always a top three of Chelsea, Man Utd and Liverpool - to see how this is a considerable factor
 
Dier Hard said:
I find it too difficult to judge on refereeing decisions because you’d need to analyse every team in the league and see how they’ve fared with them. There’s also many subjective calls too, instances where we’d demand it for our own team but say not a chance for opposition.

Injuries have certainly played their fair share, albeit bad coaching over the last three seasons has been as big, if not a bigger issue.

But equally the inadequacy of our board over the last 6 or so years has finally culminated in a situation where we’re favourites for the final relegation spot. We’ve probably gone from being one of the most well run sides in terms of recruitment to being pound for pound the worst in this 6-7 year period. Overspending on relegation calibre players like Richarlison, Solanke, Gallagher, Odobert, Tel and many before them has come back to bite us, the warning signs were there when we were persisting with players like Winks for too long, now we’re spending £50m-£60m to sign players of his calibre. It’s absolutely bonkers and the scariest thing is many of our fans knew we were getting these transfers wrong, yet those in power somehow thought differently.

As I’ve said before, I truly find it scary we’ve allowed ourselves to be run by utter idiots with zero footballing intelligence.
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The odd thing is that over that period we've had both Paratici and Lange for most of the time so we've had more senior footballing knowledge than ever before. And I still don't think there is any way of getting an edge in recruitment. It's more likely that we are going through a bad patch at the opposite end of the distribution from the period that got us Poch's team where most players we signed turned out to be better than expected. The whole starting XI cost less than £100m combined.
 
PowerSpurs said:
The odd thing is that over that period we've had both Paratici and Lange for most of the time so we've had more senior footballing knowledge than ever before. And I still don't think there is any way of getting an edge in recruitment. It's more likely that we are going through a bad patch at the opposite end of the distribution from the period that got us Poch's team where most players we signed turned out to be better than expected. The whole starting XI cost less than £100m combined.
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Playing the agent's game goes a long way to getting an edge in recruitment

Problem for us being that Continuity Raiola blacklisted us while Jorge Mendes is currently feathering his nest with the Saudi bubble economy
 
humanbeingincroydon said:
Interesting comment from Madders regarding his ACL tear: an external specialist told him that he wouldn't need surgery or rehab

As in, not our medical team
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I think I read the external specialist said he injured his ACL around April (ish) last year and that it wouldn’t need surgery but then he completely tore it a few months later during pre-season.
 
Tilly'sowner said:
I think I read the external specialist said he injured his ACL around April (ish) last year and that it wouldn’t need surgery but then he completely tore it a few months later during pre-season.
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It was after Bodo and/or Glimt he had the initial injury

Once again, genius idea to have somebody coming back from an ACL tear board a 13+ hour flight to Seoul for his first game back...
 
The RDBD said:
Is that actually true ??

There have been some good signings over the ENIC era,
but IMHO that has been more shaped by transfer/wage
fee envelopes rather than forensic assessment of a player.
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I think the two main problems which developed simultaneously were Levy getting his fingers burned by the ludicrous "special arrangement" we had with Real when we sold Modric and then Bale to them, and the fan backlash over that. Then the sight of Walker moving to a PL rival who had just finished below us for consecutive seasons and when we were seemingly on the brink of glory, was a hammer blow in that sense.

Levy became so paranoid about us being perceived as a feeder club (which historically we were and benefitted decently from it) that he basically put up a sign on the door saying "closed for business" and flat out refused to sell anyone unless it was absolutely unavoidable. This was accompanied by lots of statements in programmes and interviews about our new resolve to stop being a selling club.

This persisted for long enough to the point that I think many players stopped wanting to come here as we weren't operating as a stepping stone any more.

This was compounded by the absolute nonsense under Ange and Lange where we heard all sorts of speeches about only wanting to sign players who "wanted to just play for Spurs". Total naive nonsense in this day and age.

So the end result of this was that we signed a bunch of players for whom playing for a club as big as Spurs was beyond their wildest dreams, as none of them would ever be good enough to play for anyone better. In fact I think the enormity of playing for Spurs is just too much for quite a few of our players and their confidence is in tatters as a result.

We urgently need to go back to the days where we had the humility to acknowledge that we are indeed perceived as a stepping stone by most top prospects, who would view 2-3 years at a club like Spurs before moving on as a very wise career choice.

And as for them "not wanting" to just play for Spurs? Irrelevant. Their desire to be spotted and signed by a giant club is enough motivation and then some for them to put in consistently good performances.

Briefly, the other main problem has been lagging behind on wages. We can't claim to want to compete with teams who genuinely compete on four fronts if even our top earners are on £100-200k per week less.
 
Citizen Kane. said:
Graham Potter has confirmed that Kulusevski will miss the world cup. Huge blow for the lad and you have to feel sorry for him.

This must be the worst "slight knock" in the history of slight knocks.
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Ange really needs to be held responsible for raising hopes, as there was absolutely no reason for him to claim it was a knock

He was the one who said it was a knock the day of the injury (by the way, **** Guehi) when no physio's timetable would have said this: instead a physio would have told him there was no immediately obvious injury and they were waiting for the swelling to go down to make a further diagnosis

A couple of days afterwards is when it was announced he'd miss the remainder of last season, which matches the timetable of the swelling going down and the further diagnosis
 
Citizen Kane. said:
Graham Potter has confirmed that Kulusevski will miss the world cup. Huge blow for the lad and you have to feel sorry for him.

This must be the worst "slight knock" in the history of slight knocks.
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One day our fanbase might actually hold Ange to account for this, rather than lazily pinning the blame on the medical team

Ange is the sole source for claiming Deki had a knock, which he said in the post-match presser after the match with Palace where Guehi clattered him

The likely scenario is something like this: the medical team diagnosed that Deki was in no immediate state of disrepair when he came off and would wait for the swelling to go down before making their full diagnosis, but Ange only listened to the first part and that's why he said what he said in the presser around an hour after Deki was forced off - and also why it was announced a couple of days later he would miss the remainder of last season, as that fits the timetable of when the swelling went down and the extent of the injury was revealed
 
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