Off Topic The politics thread - Starmer/Reeves/Farage etc.

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rooch 3 said:
So let’s get this right,
Your saying with Brexit, Covid the Ukraine war and having Boris as leader the 100’s of thousands of job losses and businesses shutting down under Labour is the Tories fault.
I know you Labour luvvies like to get your pound of flesh from Brexit but bloody hell man <laugh>
Talk about carrying a grudge <laugh>
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Actually quite a lot can be tracked back to Thatcher, selling off Water etc, selling off council houses (cheaply) not building others etc
Then following the financial crash 2008 ( G Brown, very good at the time). Cameron and his sidekicks, '20 jobs' initiated austerity. Big mistake at the time, unlike now, we were not up our limit of borrowing and rates were cheaper
We should have borrowed for building infrastructure, road, rail, (Bonko Johnstons) 50 new hospitals, electricity, water etc. A big opportunity missed that we are paying for now 'broken Britain'. Even nuclear power that we are trying to get going again was halted, police and armed forces reduced.

Whoever is in government cannot 'buck the markets' so economic growth is hard to stimulate and taxes are needed to meet interest payments.
Welfare benefits, including pensions have to reduce... not easy. Deforms lies about how much is spent on emigrants, is bullsiht, like the Brexit £350m for NHS from Brexit.
 
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Sunders53 said:
Actually quite a lot can be tracked back to Thatcher, selling off Water etc, selling off council houses (cheaply) not building others etc
Then following the financial crash 2008 ( G Brown, very good at the time). Cameron and his sidekicks, '20 jobs' initiated austerity. Big mistake at the time, unlike now, we were not up our limit of borrowing and rates were cheaper
We should have borrowed for building infrastructure, road, rail, (Bonko Johnstons) 50 new hospitals, electricity, water etc. A big opportunity missed that we are paying for now 'broken Britain'. Even nuclear power that we are trying to get going again was halted, police and armed forces reduced.

Whoever is in government cannot 'buck the markets' so economic growth is hard to stimulate and taxes are needed to meet interest payments.
Welfare benefits, including pensions have to reduce... not easy. Deforms lies about how much is spent on emigrants, is bullsiht, like the Brexit £350m for NHS from Brexit.
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You are right about 350m for NHS, up to 2020 (covid) it was actually 400m a week rise in real terms
 
Sunders53 said:
Yep definitely spent, but not money saved by Brexit, rather borrowing, hence the UK is at its credit limit. Brexit has refuced out GDP and hence taxes etc. So we have borrowed more to meet spending.
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We could go round in circles with this.
All money that should of been saved by Brexit was spent and wasted, but the point still stands that more money in real terms was spent on NHS after Brexit.
 
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Smug in Boots said:
It’s a huge sign that communities are getting the culture they want, some people are so lazy they don’t even want ‘takeaways’, they want food delivered to their front door.
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And shopping too with the "on demand" services through Just Eat, Uber etc.

The terminals in shops are pinging all the time with small orders coming in and drivers turning up to collect them.
 
Brainy Dose said:
Listen man,( :emoticon-0105-wink: ), none of this dogma makes any difference. Almost nobody in our City is voting for Farage as an individual,it's obvious people are voting for a fundamental change,which none of the other parties seem remotely able to deliver. For the last 30 years we've seen our towns and our cities overrun with a huge cultural change....even more so than after WW2.....wherein people can see their communities disintegrating with massive influx of people speaking different languages,establishing certain businesses....very often not what they seem. This is not racism.....wanting to preserve your community and way of life from influx of others is not racism......something there are several on here would do well to try to understand.The pressure on our public services,travel,housing, has changed this country forever.....not to mention the horrible impact social media is having on our kids....and I haven't even mentioned the NHS and so important elderly care. It was struggling to cope before 2004,but if anyone thinks that allowing unlimited numbers of people to come here to work in the system would somehow create growth is complete fallacy.We need more people to work in our public services because there are too many people arriving from other places than we could cope for before....and we were already at breaking point.
If this was the 16th century,I'd turn up at the Tower to watch Blair,that greedy,self-interested,treasonous individual, lose his head.

Hey,you can slag Farage off ad infinitum. It doesn't mean a thing. The facts are that the upsurge in popularity for Reform is a direct result of ordinary,working class people feeling their culture,
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Boats still landing in Shotley Bridge ?
 
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Becs said:
And shopping too with the "on demand" services through Just Eat, Uber etc.

The terminals in shops are pinging all the time with small orders coming in and drivers turning up to collect them.
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The weekly family shop was always a nightmare. 25 years ago I got the techies at work to help me set up a Tesco weekly delivery. Senior management now undertakes the task, with Sainsbury's.

Jeff Bezos ( and his ex-wife) are both billionaires cos we don't like shopping.
My ever growing grandson needed a bigger shirt, the clothing firm Next delivered his choice within 25 hours.

The high street shops are over
 
Smug in Boots said:
I’m assuming that’s guesswork and not based on facts.

My guess is that, without Farage, this party would be nowhere near where they are now and, if he left the country, it would fade away again. I believe his appeal is his racism and honestly don’t see what else he has.

When you say, ‘ … people can see their communities disintegrating with massive influx of people speaking different languages’ I can see your point but think it’s more in people’s minds than in their reality.

Reform won’t be able to turf out 30 years worth of foreigners and their children, it’s literally impossible. Over centuries Great Britain interfered with endless countries so the rich could become richer. As a consequence we were forced to welcome endless nationalities, endless religions and endless languages. It’s too late to put the genie back in the bottle, we’re stuck with it.

Shame but that’s where we are.
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I think a mix of people and cultures will do the north east the world of good. Its older white people that don't like it. Lots of young uns just crack on and enjoy the diversity, music, food, sport, fashion. A decade on it'll be normal. Its what goes on in the world. Some people enjoy it, some want to go backwards to a time when it wasn’t that good anyway. Young people are voting for a less racist version of change. Hopefully it wins out. It’s their future.
 
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Sunders53 said:
The weekly family shop was always a nightmare. 25 years ago I got the techies at work to help me set up a Tesco weekly delivery. Senior management now undertakes the task, with Sainsbury's.

Jeff Bezos ( and his ex-wife) are both billionaires cos we don't like shopping.
My ever growing grandson needed a bigger shirt, the clothing firm Next delivered his choice within 25 hours.

The high street shops are over
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I didn't mean the weekly shop. I meant the "I'm just popping out" shops for odds and ends are now done online.
 
I think we are seeing the endgame tomorrow for Starmer and even the labour party if they go for anyone but Burnham..
 
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Boats still landing in Shotley Bridge ?
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Yep,full of Iraqi Kurds,Albanians,Afghans and Turks congregating in coffee shops,discussing how to get the contraband locked in the boot of their uninsured,knackered up German cars to the next high street ****-hole without being seen, dropping their *** ends everywhere,constantly spitting on the pavement, and looking forward to abusing their women later. They seem to like being together with people they feel safe with,can understand and who share their culture......who'd have thought it...those nasty racists.
 
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Another hypocritical and dishonest politician.


The Green Party has admitted that its leader Zack Polanski has, until recently, been living on a houseboat in London and may have failed to pay council tax.

In a statement given to the BBC, a party spokesperson said Polanski had "taken steps to pay any council tax he may be found to owe".

They added: "Zack apologises sincerely for the unintentional mistake."

Polanski has been under pressure to explain whether the houseboat, moored at a marina in Hackney, had been his primary residence.

A boat is liable for council tax when used as a person's "sole or main residence", according to the tax lawyer Dan Neidle.

Neidle, who has investigated the tax affairs of several politicians, looked into Polanski's situation and wrote on his Tax Policy Associates website this week: "If, as seems likely, that was his main residence, then Mr Polanski and his partner should have paid council tax there."

www.bbc.co.uk

Polanski apologises for 'unintentional mistake' over houseboat council tax

The Green Party admits that its leader has, until recently, been living on a houseboat in London and may have failed to pay council tax.
www.bbc.co.uk www.bbc.co.uk
 
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Saf said:
Another hypocritical and dishonest politician.


The Green Party has admitted that its leader Zack Polanski has, until recently, been living on a houseboat in London and may have failed to pay council tax.

In a statement given to the BBC, a party spokesperson said Polanski had "taken steps to pay any council tax he may be found to owe".

They added: "Zack apologises sincerely for the unintentional mistake."

Polanski has been under pressure to explain whether the houseboat, moored at a marina in Hackney, had been his primary residence.

A boat is liable for council tax when used as a person's "sole or main residence", according to the tax lawyer Dan Neidle.

Neidle, who has investigated the tax affairs of several politicians, looked into Polanski's situation and wrote on his Tax Policy Associates website this week: "If, as seems likely, that was his main residence, then Mr Polanski and his partner should have paid council tax there."

www.bbc.co.uk

Polanski apologises for 'unintentional mistake' over houseboat council tax

The Green Party admits that its leader has, until recently, been living on a houseboat in London and may have failed to pay council tax.
www.bbc.co.uk www.bbc.co.uk
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Unintentional seems a very common word in a MPs vocabulary,
Thieving greedy knackers.
 
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Saf said:
Another hypocritical and dishonest politician.


The Green Party has admitted that its leader Zack Polanski has, until recently, been living on a houseboat in London and may have failed to pay council tax.

In a statement given to the BBC, a party spokesperson said Polanski had "taken steps to pay any council tax he may be found to owe".

They added: "Zack apologises sincerely for the unintentional mistake."

Polanski has been under pressure to explain whether the houseboat, moored at a marina in Hackney, had been his primary residence.

A boat is liable for council tax when used as a person's "sole or main residence", according to the tax lawyer Dan Neidle.

Neidle, who has investigated the tax affairs of several politicians, looked into Polanski's situation and wrote on his Tax Policy Associates website this week: "If, as seems likely, that was his main residence, then Mr Polanski and his partner should have paid council tax there."

www.bbc.co.uk

Polanski apologises for 'unintentional mistake' over houseboat council tax

The Green Party admits that its leader has, until recently, been living on a houseboat in London and may have failed to pay council tax.
www.bbc.co.uk www.bbc.co.uk
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Oh,no! Not another politician to break the rules!? <laugh>
 
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