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James Copley update tonight - Sunderland Echo

Some decisions in football can be rationalised without undue difficulty. Others, even when the underlying reasoning is understood, still leave an uneasy residue. Sunderland’s decision to withdraw the Bradley Lowery Foundation’s long-standing use of a corporate box falls into that latter category.

It is important to set out the facts with clarity. The club has not withdrawn its support from the foundation. A revised arrangement is now in place - a table of 10 across six fixtures in the Montgomery Suite, alongside two smaller, quieter matchday experiences for vulnerable children in more appropriate environments. Sunderland also continues to provide access to sensory rooms for autistic children, though that provision serves a different purpose. That continued backing is meaningful and should be acknowledged. It does not, however, alter the central point: this is a reduction.

It is also worth pausing on what the Bradley Lowery Foundation represents. Established in Bradley’s name following his battle with neuroblastoma, it has developed into a charity providing both practical and emotional support to families navigating some of the most difficult circumstances imaginable. From funding equipment and experiences to creating moments of respite, its work is rooted in compassion, dignity and a clear sense of purpose.

The matchday element has always carried particular emotional resonance. For many families, these are not routine outings. They are rare opportunities to step away from hospital appointments, uncertainty and sustained strain, and to share something positive together. The privacy and familiarity of a dedicated box played a role in that - not simply as a physical space, but as something consistent and dependable.

That is why the reaction cannot be reduced to logistics or numbers. It speaks to what those experiences have represented, repeatedly, over a sustained period of time. For years, that box offered something genuinely special for seriously ill children and their families. It was never simply a hospitality provision. It became embedded within the foundation’s work and, by extension, within Sunderland’s identity as a club that understood its place within the community. That is why this decision is difficult to reconcile.

It also does not exist in isolation. There has been a steady accumulation of concerns in recent months - corporate restructuring, season ticket renewals, direct debit issues and a growing perception among some long-serving supporters, including elderly fans, that they are being marginalised. Each case, taken individually, may have an explanation. Taken collectively, they begin to suggest a shift in emphasis that supporters are entitled to interrogate.

The financial context is obvious. Sunderland are back in the Premier League and operating at a level that demands sharper commercial pragmatism. Corporate hospitality is a significant revenue stream, and the reported value attached to this box underlines the scale of that reality. There is nothing inherently problematic in that. Indeed, much of the club’s recent progress has been driven by a willingness to make difficult, at times ruthless, decisions. That approach has been a defining characteristic of the current ownership model.

It would be wrong not to recognise the broader picture. Under Kyril Louis-Dreyfus, Sunderland have been revitalised. The club is in a demonstrably stronger position - structurally, financially and on the pitch - than it was just a few years ago. There is no doubting the positive impact of his tenure. That, in itself, is why this decision carries greater significance. While decisiveness and a certain ruthlessness can be invaluable on the football side - in recruitment, in strategic planning and in driving performance standards - that same disposition does not translate in the same way when applied to supporters or community-facing initiatives. There is a distinction to be drawn, and it is a meaningful one.

Football clubs, particularly Sunderland, do not exist purely as commercial entities. They are civic institutions, embedded within and reflective of the communities they represent. That has always been part of Sunderland’s identity and, at its best, one of its defining strengths. There was a time when Sunderland was widely regarded as the “caring club”. That reputation was earned through sustained actions rather than messaging. This shouldn't be allowed to erode through incremental decisions.

Interim CEO Tom Burwell is due to meet with supporters in the near future. That conversation will be significant - not simply in articulating the rationale behind recent decisions, but in demonstrating that the club remains aligned with the values that have historically defined it. Supporters do not expect perfection, but they do expect to feel respected and considered.

What Sunderland cannot afford is even the slightest drift back towards the thinking that underpinned the Black Cats Bar-Newcastle United episode - a moment that laid bare a disconnect between boardroom decision-making and supporter sentiment. For all the progress since, that misstep still lingers in the collective memory, a reminder that trust can be undermined with alarming speed through poor judgement, yet takes years of consistent, considered action to rebuild.

The reality is straightforward. Sunderland’s resurgence has not been driven solely by ownership, recruitment or coaching. It has been underpinned by a fanbase that carried the club through its lowest point in League One and refused to abandon ship. That relationship is not unconditional. There is, quite clearly, a line - and decisions of this nature place the club uncomfortably close to it.

This is not just about a corporate box. It is about institutional priorities and how Sunderland balances progress with principle. There is no doubting that Louis-Dreyfus has been a net positive for Sunderland. There is no serious argument against that. But there is a growing risk that he is steering Sunderland Association Football Club towards becoming Sunderland Association Football Corporation
 
The fact some "fans" are even justifying this is bad enough.

The same "fans" that were no where to be seen in league 1 for a guess.

What's the line played for the game? This club, this city, this is our home?

Clearly it is as long as you pay enough
 
Chunks, here's something for your RTG fan club to consider.

Bobby Robson was regularly invited to the SOL, given a top seat and properly looked after.

Despite being an ex-Newcastle man not one Mackem ever begrudged that and would've happily paid themselves.

This current situation is as bad as if we still had Bob coming to see us play but could only manage a seat under the away fans, halfway down a row and miles from the halftime bar and toilets.

"But, not to worry Bob, after all the great publicity you've brought there'll be a voucher for a pint and a pie ...

... you'll appreciate we're now in the Premier League and there's a wealthy newcomer who'll pay good money for your seat."


Dear me, it even sickens me to write it out.
 
Chunks, here's something for your RTG fan club to consider.

Bobby Robson was regularly invited to the SOL, given a top seat and properly looked after.

Despite being an ex-Newcastle man not one Mackem ever begrudged that and would've happily paid themselves.

This current situation is as bad as if we still had Bob coming to see us play but could only manage a seat under the away fans, halfway down a row and miles from the halftime bar and toilets.

"But, not to worry Bob, after all the great publicity you've brought there'll be a voucher for a pint and a pie ...

... you'll appreciate we're now in the Premier League and there's a wealthy newcomer who'll pay good money for your seat."


Dear me, it even sickens me to write it out.
Not sure about a fan club, disgusted there are posters justifying it without even a hint of decency
 
Think it’s a disgusting decision from the club and in my eyes there is no reasoning that can excuse it.

I also find trying to sell a much reduced experience for those bairns and their families as somehow a fair exchange leaves a bad taste in my mouth.
 
I've thought about this and I could be totally talking out of my backside but the connectivity of the club and fans seem to have shifted since Bruce has stated that he's leaving and Burwell has taken over. The narrative that Burwell came out with in that interview on you tube about how we need to get as much money into the club as possible I can understand and accept but he also said that they need to keep the connectivity between club and fans close. Not just this but other things from the club seems to be the total opposite of what Burwell said, they want money in and it sends that it's at the expense of the fan base that got the club where it is now. I hope I'm wrong and it's the beer that's talking but since Bruce announced he was leaving there seems to be a shift in fan connection
 
I've thought about this and I could be totally talking out of my backside but the connectivity of the club and fans seem to have shifted since Bruce has stated that he's leaving and Burwell has taken over. The narrative that Burwell came out with in that interview on you tube about how we need to get as much money into the club as possible I can understand and accept but he also said that they need to keep the connectivity between club and fans close. Not just this but other things from the club seems to be the total opposite of what Burwell said, they want money in and it sends that it's at the expense of the fan base that got the club where it is now. I hope I'm wrong and it's the beer that's talking but since Bruce announced he was leaving there seems to be a shift in fan connection
Wonder if this "slight" shift in thinking played a part in Bruce deciding to leave.
 
Wonder if this "slight" shift in thinking played a part in Bruce deciding to leave.

To tell you the truth mate I wouldn't be surprised. Watching that interview on You Tube with Burwell gave is an insight into the club but it also gave us an insight on how the person running the club sees things. Yes the club needs to pull in every little bit of cash it can to compete from wherever but does that come at the expense of fans that have been there since year dot? Burwell said no but there are things that are coming out that says differently.
 
I thought it was £25,000 a match not a whole season. That’s only about roughly 50p each even if it’s every home game.
If you can organise something that would be great.
Or could there be another reason?

Well there you go, no particular input from me but someone has offered to 'pledge' the cost of the box for the next season. That's with quite a few provisos which, in a nutshell, are that the Sunderland support/players/ ex-players/etc provide the funding. So they'll guarantee the money, and any shortfall, but would expect us to put our money where our mouths are. He's an Arsenal supporter, with a Man City cousin involved in football, so not connected to SAFC and doesn't want to be.

The rough plan, in a quick phone call, would be that we all pledge the cost of the box on an annual basis.

In reality, as you said, that's peanuts and a couple of quid on a direct debit.

So the next step would be for someone to contact the club and make the offer ...

... I have someone in mind who's a good friend, known to the club and well respected.

I've not approached him yet.

RTG would need to be involved and there are people who hate me on there.

Hopefully they'd see beyond that and get the 'crowdfunding' or whatever in motion.
 
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I've thought about this and I could be totally talking out of my backside but the connectivity of the club and fans seem to have shifted since Bruce has stated that he's leaving and Burwell has taken over. The narrative that Burwell came out with in that interview on you tube about how we need to get as much money into the club as possible I can understand and accept but he also said that they need to keep the connectivity between club and fans close. Not just this but other things from the club seems to be the total opposite of what Burwell said, they want money in and it sends that it's at the expense of the fan base that got the club where it is now. I hope I'm wrong and it's the beer that's talking but since Bruce announced he was leaving there seems to be a shift in fan connection
I thought Burwell come across well in that interview and on there he talks about the £30 cap for away tickets. Saying adding inflation to that would mean very little to clubs in terms of revenue but would price a lot of fans out. Also mentions ticket prices, smilar to what quinn said years ago, that they are very small revenue stream to a premier league club.
It does appear now some of what he said was empty words and fans and the community aren't the main driver of the clubs focus
 
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After the great season we have had and it may turn out even better soon the club has got into this clusterf*ck. Don't go on these You Tubes etc and speak with fork tongue. We have had too much verbal diarrhea from ownerships in the past to put up with anymore. If it's all about the money to keep the box for Bradley's Foundation the club needs to put a number out so we can donate.....I'm in. Don't let his memory/legacy descend into a sh*t show. God bless the little lad.....
 
Tunstall, on RTG, is a decent lad, good supporter and posted this which sums things up for me ...

... none of the arguments, defending the club, ring true and don't excuse what's been done.

tunstall birdman said:
When Bradley was alive, myself and another poster on here (He wished to remain anonymous at the time, but he did amazing work in the background and forever got my upmost respect), ran a charity football match for Bradley, with the winner being presented a trophy by Kevin Ball on the nightime function do.
Sadly, Bradley was too ill to attend, I really wanted for him to be there. However there was a young girl from Newcastle, who was about the same age as Bradley and unfortunately had the same condition. It was a joy to see her playing with other kids at the function, an escape from what she was going through. And although my heart bled Bradley and this little girl, she melted my heart with her smile and laughter that evening.

To futher add, at Sunderland College, one of my students had a rare form of Leukemia and ended up in a wheelchair, so I did my best to make his life at the college a better experience and happier as possible, knowing what he was going through. On lunch times and break times, I used to activily seek him out and take him to the pool room to play pool with me. We spoke a lot and I made him smile. Sadly, he got too ill to come to college and the Leukemia took him away, shortly after. It broke my heart.

I am writing this to make a point, that to give happy moments to very ill children, suffering the pain and isolation from other kids, is so important and more important them than many of us realise. Experience and the escapism for them is for more important than money, more important than we and our 'normal' lives. They are the most important thing and everything should be done to make their lives better.

If this decision is by the club is going to make the experience for these kids, a lesser experience, then they really need to reconsider that decision?
It's not just the life of these very ill children that is vastly important, it is also the life they live while being ill, that is equally as important. Kindness, compassion and doing what we can to make them smile and experience joy, overrules everything else.
 
It could be virtually funded if they put £1 extra on all season tickets, this would be optional of course and then add an extra 50p on each individual ticket sale again optional. Once the box was funded - surplus monies could be used to fund purchase of tickets to be donated to those who cannot afford the price of premier league football.
 
It could be virtually funded if they put £1 extra on all season tickets, this would be optional of course and then add an extra 50p on each individual ticket sale again optional. Once the box was funded - surplus monies could be used to fund purchase of tickets to be donated to those who cannot afford the price of premier league football.
Asking supporters to fork out would've worked, without question, but made the club look cheap ...

... ironically they've managed that quite easily by not asking.
 
Asking supporters to fork out would've worked, without question, but made the club look cheap ...

... ironically they've managed that quite easily by not asking.
Club could have done all sorts to raise the funds - Shirt sponsor the deal not only you pay to be on the shirt you also have to fund the box for the period of sponsorship - what better to introduce the brand to the region. Its not rocket science. The more I have thought about the more ridiculous this is.
 
Club could have done all sorts to raise the funds - Shirt sponsor the deal not only you pay to be on the shirt you also have to fund the box for the period of sponsorship - what better to introduce the brand to the region. Its not rocket science. The more I have thought about the more ridiculous this is.

Same here mate, I just can't fathom the thinking behind it or how the club will explain it away.

Presumably they'll believe we're all as shallow as the Mags and will exchange a trophy for our self respect.

What they don't realise is that Sunderland people have taken quite a few knocks, over decades, and don't buckle that easily.

Sadly, I have to accept, the people running the club aren't what I'd hoped they were ...

... I hope the Everton supporters make their feelings known at our forthcoming match.
 
Same here mate, I just can't fathom the thinking behind it or how the club will explain it away.

Presumably they'll believe we're all as shallow as the Mags and will exchange a trophy for our self respect.

What they don't realise is that Sunderland people have taken quite a few knocks, over decades, and don't buckle that easily.

Sadly, I have to accept, the people running the club aren't what I'd hoped they were ...

... I hope the Everton supporters make their feelings known at our forthcoming match.
I know you shouldn’t try to spend rich people’s money for them( altlough it would be nice <laugh> ) but £25,000 is probably less to KLD than 50p is to a lad on £1000 a week.
I really hope this rectifies itself.
 
Club could have done all sorts to raise the funds - Shirt sponsor the deal not only you pay to be on the shirt you also have to fund the box for the period of sponsorship - what better to introduce the brand to the region. Its not rocket science. The more I have thought about the more ridiculous this is.
Even sharing a box between charities, including the BLF would have been good.
 
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