Should Newcastle replace Eddie Howe
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I don't pay any attention to any of the north east
media. Absolute ****e hawks the lot of them
The CEO has said we are to be challenging for honours such as CL and PL by 2030 so that is the expectations the fans should set themselves.
If the CEO says we are aiming for 14th place then that is the expectation the fans should set themselves.
Howe is a good man and a good manager but he is not an elite manager and to challenge for CL and PL within 4 years, you need an elite manager.
That is what the Wilson and Hopinkson and PIF should be judging Howe on. If they believe in the 2030 date then it's clear as day. Howe should leave but also should be allowed his send off by the fans, by announcing it soon.
If the CEO says we are aiming for 14th place then that is the expectation the fans should set themselves.
Howe is a good man and a good manager but he is not an elite manager and to challenge for CL and PL within 4 years, you need an elite manager.
That is what the Wilson and Hopinkson and PIF should be judging Howe on. If they believe in the 2030 date then it's clear as day. Howe should leave but also should be allowed his send off by the fans, by announcing it soon.
The boos will intensify and Howe is probably like I've said for a while going to jump ship.
Interesting, you seem to have conveniently omitted that he also took them from the bottom division to the Premier league in 5 years, which coupled with 4 years in the Premier league, easily makes him their greatest manager of all time.
You sound as bitter as Steve Bruce when he bitched he'd been replaced by "the guy who got Bournemouth relegated" when we got rid of him.
I don't subscribe to this idea. The change in ownership is mainly what took us from the bottom of the table to where we are. Without the takeover we'd have got relegated with or without Howe. Eddie Howe is a small far less significant reason for the clubs rise than the money behind it. I suppose it means the current form isn't all his fault either tbf.
The managerial nonsense in football I find bizarre. It's the money mainly like I say and these guys are merely riding waves at clubs, some are better and worse than others and it's their coaching staff that are probably the difference, but eventually once they don't have the players the reality becomes clear.
It's actually probably why replacing Howe is pointless outside giving the place a new feel and the image of the club.
My secrets finally out.
Same thing applies; did great things for Bournemouth, forever a legend there, but how much have the ownership contributed or was it literally ALL Eddie Howe? And it came to an unfortunate end as all things do. It’s identical to here and I’ll take any bet that the same fate is in store, more or less, that the rot has set in and the only way is further backwards. Surely anyone can just feel it, smell it, sense it?
It’s like one of those football matches where you just know you won’t score. Nothing tangible you just know it’s not going to happen. Im really surprised there’s so many people ignoring what they see.
Is this the sensing it, smelling it that some on here were doing for the latter few months of 2024?
It never was solely EH as with almost everything, it never is just one person. But to belittle his achievements here simply weakens the strength of any points you make. Name one other Newcastle manager to have won a major domestic trophy in the last 70 years. That's how big his achievement is. Anticipating the money argument, why did the Entertainers never win a trophy?
It doesn't mean EH can go on forever but, for me, it does give him one lifeline to put thing right.
Problem for me is he isn't getting the team selections right, not getting the subs right and the game management (which is down to the players as well) horrendously wrong. There is no Plan B - by his own admission - but the Palace game for me was the one that broke me, 1-0 up swap LW for LW, then Palace send on their 3 best players - through the spine Mateta, Sarr and Wharton - as the game is turning and we just didn't react at all. No change in shape, no change in personnel, just watched on as the game slipped away and by the time we changed it up with 5 mins to go, there was only one team going to win it and it wasn't us.
Not sure what his problem with Woltemade is but Howe's been misusing him for months and now he's dropped, when for me - yes he had a goal drought, but he needed time and coaching to get the best out of him up top and get him back to the form we saw in the first 10 games of the year, but we've dropped him into the "8" role, which isn't his game and then dropped him completely when it hasn't worked.
Not sure if Howe is trying to prove a point to someone or he's just blind to the obvious but he has got things horribly wrong this season, especially the second half of the year, and regardless of his previous accomplishments, has been found wanting and needs to go now - with everyone's best wishes for all the aforementioned previous accomplishments.
Not sure what his problem with Woltemade is but Howe's been misusing him for months and now he's dropped, when for me - yes he had a goal drought, but he needed time and coaching to get the best out of him up top and get him back to the form we saw in the first 10 games of the year, but we've dropped him into the "8" role, which isn't his game and then dropped him completely when it hasn't worked.
Not sure if Howe is trying to prove a point to someone or he's just blind to the obvious but he has got things horribly wrong this season, especially the second half of the year, and regardless of his previous accomplishments, has been found wanting and needs to go now - with everyone's best wishes for all the aforementioned previous accomplishments.
As we know the 2024 knee jerking was to do with a disappointing 23/24 season and continuation of poor form up to October. But the calling for his head was a very small minority, and we started to turn the league form around. Sense told you we had gone well ahead of schedule by finishing 4th and 7th, with our wage bill and spend, was probably about right.
This time it’s different - we are now well over 12 months of going backwards, by every measure available. To give him more time is, what, all the way through to exiting (or winning!) the cups as a minimum? Or would there be other markers to measure it by? The thing is he should surely be on some kind of minimum standard now (if not, why the **** not?!) which he will have agreed to. If that’s Europe, then he still has 5 games. If it’s a trophy, which I doubt, he’s already ****ed. There could be other indicators - squad value, which he has had a disastrous impact on year on year. I look at it through a performance lens, not a sentimental one, and as I say the entire of this season has been close to a debacle. LC draw was favourable, UCL was a cake walk - until we faced quality then didn’t even turn up.
And to your question - Name me one manager of the past 70 years who had the same backing he has had? Not even KK had 750m.
I don't think anyone can criticism Howe's time at Bournemouth.
For us - 3 incredible seasons, one okay and one very bad. Sadly the very bad one is now, pretty much everything about this season has been hideous, you've actually had a reason to whine this season for once.
Tbh I think he will be replaced in the summer. Perhaps like Bobby Robson he's taken us as far as can.
We obviously aren't going to agree and I have no problem with that i respect your opinion as you can elucidate the reasons why. I prefer to give people a chance especially when that person has previously proved they can do the job. Treat people as you would wish to be treated.
Don't forget that Shearer was a world record fee. It's all relative and proportionate. EH has never spent anywhere near a world record fee. KK may not have had £750M but he had a lot of money to spend relative to that time period.
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Howe hasn't been funded anywhere near as much as Keegan and Robson were comparitivly.
Under Keegan we could buy anyone we wanted, like Blackburn, Chelsea and City....however unlike them we didn't win the league, or indeed anything else.
Robson was majorly funded, got us to 3rd, but still bought a whole load of dreadful players, Howe's signings have been far better than Robson's.
Under Keegan we could buy anyone we wanted, like Blackburn, Chelsea and City....however unlike them we didn't win the league, or indeed anything else.
Robson was majorly funded, got us to 3rd, but still bought a whole load of dreadful players, Howe's signings have been far better than Robson's.
What? Howe has spent £750m in 5 years. Are you saying Keegan and Robson were given more in their time here?
No, that's why I said "comparitivly".
Because with the hyper inflation in transfer prices in the last 30 and 20 years, Keegan and Robson would have been funded more. Hence breaking the world transfer record under Keegan and being nowhere near it's since.
It would help if you read what he typed. You even highlighted it, he was talking about Bournemouth
Here and Newcastle online (even worse), any excuse and totally ignoring what is blatantly obvious with their eyes.