Match Day Thread Leicester v Hull City

[Charon]

Acun sacked Rosie because Rosieball was some of the worst football we have ever played - Chelsea are about to sack Rosie because Rosieball is some of the worst football they have ever played - if you think Rosieball is some of the best football we have ever played then I can only assume that you are either Liam Rosenior or Leroy Rosenior and in the circumstances, I claim my £5

I see he has been sacked

 

[Cortez91]

Acun sacked Rosie because Rosieball was some of the worst football we have ever played - Chelsea are about to sack Rosie because Rosieball is some of the worst football they have ever played - if you think Rosieball is some of the best football we have ever played then I can only assume that you are either Liam Rosenior or Leroy Rosenior and in the circumstances, I claim my £5

He's gone - sacked.

 

[askewshair]

Against Leicester I am stugglng to understand why Matazo was on the bench. Was he making up the numbers if so why not just put one of the under 21's on the bench?

Probably if we were comfortably winning or losing, to give him a run to aid his prep for later on. With nine subs, it allows us the flexibility to do that.

 

[TwoWrights]

I know a lot on here dont like posters harping on about Rosenoir. However, I have to say when he was manager we played some of the best football I have seem City play. In his first full season he almost managed to get us to the playoffs finishing 7th. Under Jackarovic I have seen City play some of the worst football I have seen them play ride their luck for a while and get into a position where we still can get in the playoffs. I hope not but it looks like our luck has ran out and we will miss the playoffs once again. If we dont make the playoffs and I were Acun I would be looking for a new manager.

Memo for WSTiger,
As it's some of the worst football you've seen us play, your name is off the waiting list for a time travel machine.


The views expressed in this post are 67% recycled.

 

[Howden Tigress]

Woke up this morning and that still feels like a loss.


We've spent all season avoiding draws then we manage 4 in the last 5 games, mostly from winning positions.

We've had some horrible decisions go against us in the last few games; last night's penalty was nowhere near the worst.

Injuries to key players at key times have stacked up with alarming regularity.

Players have constantly made costly individual mistakes and frustratingly poor decisions.


Right, them's the negatives.


Let's circle back and retro-fit a positive mindset into this situation.


Charlton are in worse form than us; they haven't won in 6 games.

Wrexham's last 2 games are against teams in the top 5.

We will go into the last game with a mathematical chance of making the playoffs regardless.



As John Cleese's character Brian Stimpson says in the film Clockwork*; 'It's not the despair. I can stand the despair. It's the hope'.





* Partly filmed at Paragon Station and with several location shots around Hull, including down Cott Road, long before the city became a trendy film location.

Great post, Ernie, just how I feel. It’s the hope that gets you! I’ve not posted after debacle last night, still too furious, gutted, disappointed. I went to my Chiro this morning for my deep tissue massage, thinking the pain would take my mind off City & last night. It didn’t.

We’ve dramatically choked at the wrong time having had clear daylight earlier this year in play offs, we were looking up, not down, to possible automatics. It is what it is. We can only now play our part & get behind City, try to get them over the line, or I fear Acuns impulsive reaction. On City’s part, we need to see strong leadership, on & off the pitch. Serj & coaching team need to get their ****/discipline together, if things aren’t going as we’d like on the pitch, the team need positive direction & encouragement, not a good look to see the touch line in disarray & meltdown. That doesn’t help anyone, nor influence what’s happening on the pitch.

We’ve had some journey so far this season, be a shame to finish on a whimper. It’s not over until the fat lady sings. Come on you ‘Ull. UTT.

 

[CBeeeee]

Carvalho & Morton weren’t our players, if that’s the case it’s the most pointless stat ever!

And Delap too? Its not pointless as it undervalues the true value of the resources available to Rosie. Our current sqd is valued at £60m and includes Joff

 

[CBeeeee]

How much were Greaves and Jaden estimated to be worth when they first started with Rosenior? Not £30m.

Only looking at values at the end of a season doesn’t tell the tale of the manager, you need to look at the assembled squad and their reputation at the start. I’d argue this squad had a better reputation at the start than that squad.

Its a good point and Philos value did increase substantially. But why wouldnt that argument apply to the current crop who have achieved the same as a team?

 

[Benjo]

Most of the players you cite were also largely unproven and not highly rated going into that season, it was with us that some of them proved themselves. And the caveat of fit and readily available, if applied the same way, would also take Delap out as we missed him badly for a large chunk of that season. Philogene for a couple of months too.

I get that, but say we don't go up again, which is likely - How many of this current squad will get transfers away over the summer worth ten plus million a piece? I can't really think of any - other than potentially Giles and if we're lucky, maybe Hughes if a big club wants a development signing. Outside chance of Belloumi getting noticed as well I suppose. Some of them might be worth big money some day, but if we're talking about who had the stronger squad at the time, it's cut and dry as far as I can see.

The squad this season is a squad that barely survived last season, improved with some astute freebies. Recent drop in form aside, what Jakirovic has done this season when we were relegation favourites (and many of our fans thought so too) is genuinely phenomenal. It's frustrating right now, but every single one of us would snap hands off for this at the start of the season on honest reflection. By contrast Rosenior had us focusing on full possession and the expectation wasn't certain relegation at the start of the season. We squandered what we had at the time by playing far too conservatively and it cost us. This season it just feels more like we've run out of steam after probably overachieving - but that's thanks to some great work to build the squad we've got and thanks to the manager for getting so much more out of what we had left from the previous push.

 

[pierredelafranchesca]

Delap, Morton and Philogene all came to us with an average or slightly below average record in the Championship. Greaves clearly had potential, but I would say probably was about where Hughes is now at the start of that season.

Carvalho probably had a similar reputation as Gelhardt did when he came to us this season - both had had half impressive early promise in the Championship.

Belloumi and Millar clearly were big players who we missed - but were Lokilo/Zaroury better? I appreciate Sergej has had a problem getting them on the pitch together but Rosenior had similar problems with Delap and Jaden at the end of the season.

Are Lundstram and Seri that much different? Both have moved clubs a lot but both had success at other Championship clubs and are of similar age.

People were happy to see the back of Jones and Macca, so are we saying Ajayi, Egan, Famewo and McNair are better options? People were also keen to see Allsopp leave and Pandur come in.

Tufan is maybe the X Factor that this season hasn't had - but I do think depth wise this squad is better off - especially at CB.

I think its all splitting hairs but when you line up the squad at the start of the season before their reputations were enhanced, its much of a muchness.

Other than Slater a few weeks back I'm struggling to recall many goals from outside the area this season, something that tufan would do 3 or 4 times, he definitely had something we don't now

 

[CBeeeee]

Don't know where this comes from. We actually had an unusually small squad that season, particularly in the first half of it, but even after January we had 5 fewer senior players than we do now.

Youve still got 27 players valued and it ignores Delap, Carv and Morton who played then and not now. So a valuation of over £100m for that whole sqd doesnt seem to unreasonable. I think its the best sqd we had outside PL.

 

[Brucebones]

And Delap too? Its not pointless as it undervalues the true value of the resources available to Rosie. Our current sqd is valued at £60m and includes Joff

I wouldn’t say our current squad is that either, but as those loan players aren’t ours, going forward they have no value to this club, so what’s the point of including them as though they’re future moves benefit us?

 

[Benjo]

I wouldn’t say our current squad is that either, but as those loan players aren’t ours, going forward they have no value to this club, so what’s the point of including them as though they’re future moves benefit us?

Because the discussion is about which squad was stronger. The combined squad value, regardless of who owned the players gives a good idea of which squad underachieved and which squad has overachieved.

The argument is that Rosenior fell short with a squad that most people would have thought quite likely to make the top 6 that season. Compared to our squad this time around that 'should have been in a relegation battle'.

 

[CBeeeee]

I get that, but say we don't go up again, which is likely - How many of this current squad will get transfers away over the summer worth ten plus million a piece? I can't really think of any - other than potentially Giles and if we're lucky, maybe Hughes if a big club wants a development signing. Outside chance of Belloumi getting noticed as well I suppose. Some of them might be worth big money some day, but if we're talking about who had the stronger squad at the time, it's cut and dry as far as I can see.

The squad this season is a squad that barely survived last season, improved with some astute freebies. Recent drop in form aside, what Jakirovic has done this season when we were relegation favourites (and many of our fans thought so too) is genuinely phenomenal. It's frustrating right now, but every single one of us would snap hands off for this at the start of the season on honest reflection. By contrast Rosenior had us focusing on full possession and the expectation wasn't certain relegation at the start of the season. We squandered what we had at the time by playing far too conservatively and it cost us. This season it just feels more like we've run out of steam after probably overachieving - but that's thanks to some great work to build the squad we've got and thanks to the manager for getting so much more out of what we had left from the previous push.

100% agree with this. And this is why i am worried about next year. We havent got any crown jewels to sell this time to cover operating losses. There wont be a single PL team interested in Giles or Hughes not one. Hardly any of the championship stars like Delap, Clarke, Philo ie Szmod did anything in PL. Ballard maybe the only one, so PL teams look abroad. Newly promoted Ipswich bought a championship best xi and came straight down. Sunderland buy a whole load of largely unknowns (bar the excellent Xhaka) and thrive. So i dont see any players going for big money

 

[Amin Arrears]

Youve still got 27 players valued and it ignores Delap, Carv and Morton who played then and not now. So a valuation of over £100m for that whole sqd doesnt seem to unreasonable. I think its the best sqd we had outside PL.

No way, 15/16 was one of the most ridiculously stacked squads to ever grace this division.

 

[Benjo]

100% agree with this. And this is why i am worried about next year. We havent got any crown jewels to sell this time to cover operating losses. There wont be a single PL team interested in Giles or Hughes not one. Hardly any of the championship stars like Delap, Clarke, Philo ie Szmod did anything in PL. Ballard maybe the only one, so PL teams look abroad. Newly promoted Ipswich bought a championship best xi and came straight down. Sunderland buy a whole load of largely unknowns (bar the excellent Xhaka) and thrive. So i dont see any players going for big money

Not too long ago people were saying we were doing so well 'because' of the transfer embargo and jibed if we could have one every season. Our summer business was outstanding considering. January, not so much (but that's the reality of a Jan window when you can't spend on transfers).

We've got some good players we could sell for a profit, but it'd probably have to be overseas. I don't know how bad a position we're in financially after this season, but based on last summer's efforts I'm not particularly concerned right now. If we're effective enough at shifting some remaining 'dead wood' and reinforcing astutely again while holding on to the better performers then there's no reason the squad for next season can't be stronger than this one.

We need a better GK to at least challenge for #1. We debatably need a solid, reliable CB, but if we can sort the CM situation with an astute signing or two that have the nous and/or athleticism to track their counterpart then I think a lot of the defensive woes go away. We need a Giles quality RB and a good option for LB for cover/competition. We also need either another good winger, OR a good striker (depending on where Joseph is preferred). We also ideally need a 10 who can score from outside the area or help create more goalscoring chances without having to rely on going wide all the time. That could be as little as 5 or 6 players if we make the right signings and keep the right players in the squad. It's not impossible. We could even do it again without spending on transfer fees if we were savvy enough. All depends what we're able to do though.

Players like McNair are great squad players who can full numerous gaps at a push when needed. We need to figure out how to avoid so many crippling injuries though.

 

[Top_Tiger]

Youve still got 27 players valued and it ignores Delap, Carv and Morton who played then and not now. So a valuation of over £100m for that whole sqd doesnt seem to unreasonable. I think its the best sqd we had outside PL.

Rubbish

• GK: Allan McGregor
• RB: Moses Odubajo
• CB: Michael Dawson (captain)
• CB: Curtis Davies
• LB: Andrew Robertson
• CM: Jake Livermore
• CM: Tom Huddlestone
• RW: Ahmed Elmohamady
• CAM: Mohamed Diamé
• LW: Sam Clucas
• ST: Abel Hernández

That’s the best side we’ve had in the Champ.

 

[Leon...]

We have had a mad ref the last couple of games .

Aye but mad on our side for once. Literally gives us the win - a la that **** at Sheff U

 

[DazzaHatty]

I get that, but say we don't go up again, which is likely - How many of this current squad will get transfers away over the summer worth ten plus million a piece? I can't really think of any - other than potentially Giles and if we're lucky, maybe Hughes if a big club wants a development signing. Outside chance of Belloumi getting noticed as well I suppose. Some of them might be worth big money some day, but if we're talking about who had the stronger squad at the time, it's cut and dry as far as I can see.

The squad this season is a squad that barely survived last season, improved with some astute freebies. Recent drop in form aside, what Jakirovic has done this season when we were relegation favourites (and many of our fans thought so too) is genuinely phenomenal. It's frustrating right now, but every single one of us would snap hands off for this at the start of the season on honest reflection. By contrast Rosenior had us focusing on full possession and the expectation wasn't certain relegation at the start of the season. We squandered what we had at the time by playing far too conservatively and it cost us. This season it just feels more like we've run out of steam after probably overachieving - but that's thanks to some great work to build the squad we've got and thanks to the manager for getting so much more out of what we had left from the previous push.

Honestly, I don’t like us focusing on what was predicted before the season began. We managed to build a team that looked together, fought for everything and developed much deserved confidence. This confidence for me personally turned into arrogance after Christmas. We forgot we're a team of freebies that couldn't spend any money and had this vibe about us that we could half arse it and still win. Overtime we lost that ability to win when half arsing and couldn't get it back. Jakirovic saw we could hold a 1 goal lead and consistently win, when this began to no longer work he didn't know how to change it. This coupled with half arsing it and you get what we've dished out. That's where I'm at. I can't think back to how we thought the season would be before it started when we've done what we have only to see it fade away with a whimper. It will go down as a generational bottle job and very rightly deserved.

 

[Drew]

It’s a good point and Philos value did increase substantially. But why wouldnt that argument apply to the current crop who have achieved the same as a team?

In terms of our last summer signings though, very few were young and sellable for profit. The ones we do have in that bracket have been hampered by injury.

 

[Drew]

Because the discussion is about which squad was stronger. The combined squad value, regardless of who owned the players gives a good idea of which squad underachieved and which squad has overachieved.

The argument is that Rosenior fell short with a squad that most people would have thought quite likely to make the top 6 that season. Compared to our squad this time around that 'should have been in a relegation battle'.

I don’t think this seasons squad should ever have been in a relegation battle. As others have said, it’s a stronger squad on paper than Millwall and Wrexham.

Our failure this season if we don’t make the play offs won’t be due to ability, it’s because we haven’t found a way to make it click often in the second half of the season.