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Citizen Kane. said:
We have put in two relatively impressive performances since the turn of the year.

Simons was a key player in them both.

Then he is dropped unceremoniously and barely featured since.

Why?
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What makes it feel weird is how it seems to have coincided with Kudus and Odobert going down

Or, to look at it from another angle: it seems to coincide with RKM starting more games on the wing, suggesting that the belief is we need to replace the workrate that's missing due to RKM starting by having one of Bergvall or Gallagher in a more advanced role, so Xavi makes way
 
humanbeingincroydon said:
What makes it feel weird is how it seems to have coincided with Kudus and Odobert going down

Or, to look at it from another angle: it seems to coincide with RKM starting more games on the wing, suggesting that the belief is we need to replace the workrate that's missing due to RKM starting by having one of Bergvall or Gallagher in a more advanced role, so Xavi makes way
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Issue there is RKM is crap and so is Gallagher.

Bergvall and Xavi will struggle in the championship due to the physical nature. Injuries will be even worse with 46 league games.

League one in 2027/28
 
remembercolinlee said:
genuinely shocked that fans are still hoping we'll stay up.
I'm still pissed we sacked Ange instead of giving him a chance to take the team forward...but once they sacked him it was obvious by December that Frank was even worse but instead of sorting out a serious long term replacement we allowed him to sell last seasons top scorer and bring in that munter Gallagher.

We believed we wouldnt go down so spent none of the £100m that the new board said was available, told fans ticket prices will be frozen and that Toon will be downgraded to a cat B game for next season!

Then replace Thomas Frankly the Absurd with Tenpole one point Tuder who'd never managed in England. 44 days later we bring in the Greenwood Fan Club Chairman.

We have bought minging munter after minging munter for the last 7 years. We have brought no one through our academy and pretty much have been left with a team who, at best are met but are more often than not ****.

Everything happening to the club is of it's own making.

I'm confused as to what some fans want tbh.
Last seasons euro league Cup win was belittled by a chunk of our own fans as being not all that an achievement after years of complaining that we prioritise top 4 -6 place finishes over trophies...many also demand Ange be sacked after winning the final.

So imho some of the fans deserve this insipid ****e season too.

I've been convinced we were down after the West Ham loss and tbh am looking forward to being able to afford to go to many more games next season
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I doubt that keeping Ange would have made much of a difference. He was a poor coach and this season's squad is not any better than last season's one, which finished 17th.

I took to calling the coaches 'chumps', as none of them were ever anything more than the next sacking in motion. There was no hope of improvement, as the club was in the hands of a board that had long overstayed its use and capabilities.

It has been an inevitable decline because the stadium had been delivered and there was no clue as to what that meant in the football landscape that came into being during the near 20 years it took. Levy still clung to FFP and not paying massive agents' fees, whilst interfering in decisions that he should have had the sense to cede elsewhere. Other clubs were selling their women''s teams and stadiums to themselves, selling no marks to each other for £20m and spending 100% of income on wages. We were pissing money away on players who weren't/aren't half way good enough, while paying uncompetive wages

We were ****ed by the greed and vanity of our owners. Those who cheered them on whilst this happened (and incredibly, continue to do so) are deserving of criticism, but the responsibilty lies with Levy and Lewis and their failure to see and react to the bleeding obvious.
 
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These players can`t play under pressure, the only recent results we have had were away at Varpool in a game where we were expected to get battered, and at home against Athletico in a game where we had nothing to lose. Every time we play a game we are expected to get a result in, the players go into hiding and fold like a pack of cards at the first sign of trouble, a pissh weak mentality if ever there was one.
 
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There’s been the best part of a decade of bad decisions at this club now and it’s finally taken its toll.

We failed to build around two elite legends for years, overspent on mediocrity yet baulked at quality. This team should still be doing (far) better but it’s still the result of poor decision making from above.

I’m not sure how such incompetence can happen at such a big club but to have absolute idiots running the show of one of England’s and even Europe’s biggest clubs is almost incomprehensible.

A hope I have to cling to is that relegation forces major restructuring at board level; sackings, resignations, the lot. A sale would be great too, we need rid of the Lewis’ and ENIC yesterday albeit they seem to be sticking around like a bad smell for the foreseeable future.
 
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Dier Hard said:
There’s been the best part of a decade of bad decisions at this club now and it’s finally taken its toll.

We failed to build around two elite legends for years, overspent on mediocrity yet baulked at quality. This team should still be doing (far) better but it’s still the result of poor decision making from above.

I’m not sure how such incompetence can happen at such a big club but to have absolute idiots running the show of one of England’s and even Europe’s biggest clubs is almost incomprehensible.

A hope I have to cling to is that relegation forces major restructuring at board level; sackings, resignations, the lot. A sale would be great too, we need rid of the Lewis’ and ENIC yesterday albeit they seem to be sticking around like a bad smell for the foreseeable future.
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Yeah it’s not really a shock when you look at the big decisions they’re got wrong time and time again.

You can’t keep hiring the wrong managers and signing the wrong players and keep getting away with it.

Relegation decreases the likelihood of the clib being sold so expect Vinai and Lange to be replaced by even worse judging by the current trend.
 
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Spurlock said:
Mind games init

It's a mental thing so he's trying to lift them up

It's the only way if we have any chance

We all know the players don't have the minerals for this

known it for a very long time
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The lack of much reaction from your players when Brobbey shoved your capt into your keeper and injured both said a lot, if that happened in a Sunday league match it would probably see punches thrown, your players didn't seem to care that much.
 
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Thanks for that Brian said:
I doubt that keeping Ange would have made much of a difference
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That may be correct, but getting rid when we did was yet another poor decision. We were going in to a new season on the back of a 'success'. The players - most bang average - were at least by and large with him I think and the risk of giving him a couple of months was maybe a lot lower than what has transpired.

I'm not saying Ange was a good coach by the way, and in all likelihood we would started the PL season as we finished the last. Just that the optics and justification to get rid would have been stronger.

But heh - why would this club be expected to make a good decision on the playing side? <laugh>
 
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KingHotspur said:
Relegation decreases the likelihood of the clib being sold
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I think you're right - and the international economic environment is hardly going to help. The ME war is severely denting the economies of Gulf countries and some say it could take a decade or more to recover once the conflict finishes.

That will divert away funds from the investment in superficial projects like sports teams into basic national infrastructure and development.

And if you remove that significant chunk of money from football and lessen the field of possible investors, it reduces competition and brings down the ceiling of potential buy-out levels.

If as now seems likely we go down, that's a lose, lose, lose as far as Spurs is concerned.
 
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And what does that actually mean? All players are allowed to 'shield' the ball? One of my pet hates about modern football is that defenders fall over with far less contact than applied by Brobbey and a foul is given.

What was the context under which ref watch was required to dissect this? It's a foul which may or may not have been given by the ref but play restarted with the goal keeper so it's all immatterial really!
 
Dier Hard said:
There’s been the best part of a decade of bad decisions at this club now and it’s finally taken its toll.

We failed to build around two elite legends for years, overspent on mediocrity yet baulked at quality. This team should still be doing (far) better but it’s still the result of poor decision making from above.

I’m not sure how such incompetence can happen at such a big club but to have absolute idiots running the show of one of England’s and even Europe’s biggest clubs is almost incomprehensible.

A hope I have to cling to is that relegation forces major restructuring at board level; sackings, resignations, the lot. A sale would be great too, we need rid of the Lewis’ and ENIC yesterday albeit they seem to be sticking around like a bad smell for the foreseeable future.
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If anything it's not making decisions at all which is the problem this season

Gibbs-White got held hostage, so that was the moment Paratici needed to pull a rabbit out of the hat...and did nothing
Savinho locked behind a PSR-dodging fee, so Paratici and/or Lange needed to find someone...and did nothing
Paratici wanted Tudor to replace Frank in November, so the board needed to make a decision...and did nothing
Our domestic form plateaued by December, so the board needed to make a decision...so did nothing

The one decision they made was sacking Ange and going all-in on Frank, which was clearly a bad call by November - so, of course, the board doubled down on their mistake for two more months
 
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