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"Putting" the thread back on track, Hull Trains refund process.

I have a return ticket booked for next month but I can't go any more, so I look for a refund. I go online, pick the refund reason of "Ticket no longer required", fill the form in and submit my claim.

The claim is rejected, with the form claiming the refund reason was "change of journey", and I didn't submit evidence of having booked a different ticket.
 
Drug dealers.....particulary when it's virtue signalling left wingers.

He was a nice fella when I knew him. Hard to know what situation he was in. Hopefully he's ok, safe and manages to find a way to move forward after the sentence period finishes.
 
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Credit, way too easy to get nowadays. I've got two credit cards, no balance on either, so I bought Mrs Two's engagement ring on one of them. Just switched the balance to an interest free for three years one, with five grand limit on it. I've got the cash to pay in full, but that can stay in the bank. No wonder people end up thousands in debt, crazy! :emoticon-0138-think
 
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Came across as very self-righteous when posting on CI and took the political banter way too far with one well known city fan.
Used to argue with him on CI. Got introduced to him by Trumpton Tiger and got on well with him. So well had a few booze ups after games with him. He seemed to hit personal problems which was why he stopped posting. The other person you refer to met up with him and as far as I know it all ended amicably.
 
Used to argue with him on CI. Got introduced to him by Trumpton Tiger and got on well with him. So well had a few booze ups after games with him. He seemed to hit personal problems which was why he stopped posting. The other person you refer to met up with him and as far as I know it all ended amicably.
Bought tickets from him and had a couple of drinks one time around 2006/2007 - he was a good guy, but got sucked in to taking something that was largely a wind-up into real life. As you said, he apologised face to face.

Sounds like he got in the **** and took an unwise decision.
 
This is sick...people warned this will happen in the Uk and why are countries all of a sudden promoting state sponsered euthanasia ?

It's like the whole of europe as gone to **** at the same time and lost it's moral compass.

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This is sick...people warned this will happen in the Uk and why are countries all of a sudden promoting state sponsered euthanasia ?

It's like the whole of europe as gone to **** at the same time and lost it's moral compass.

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Has the documentary about it been shown in the UK yet?
 
This is sick...people warned this will happen in the Uk and why are countries all of a sudden promoting state sponsered euthanasia ?
Define "all of a sudden". Milou was a few years back and the bottom one 2019 I think.

I'm not qualified either professionally or personally to understand if it is outrageous that two young people appear to have wanted to die and got help to end their life peacefully rather than killing themselves in the more common way, but deaths from mental illness are not a new thing.

I have no idea if I would support this if it was my child, but rightly or wrongly I suspect I would not, keeping hope that a remedy could be found.
 
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Define "all of a sudden". Milou was a few years back and the bottom one 2019 I think.

I'm not qualified either professionally or personally to understand if it is outrageous that two young people appear to have wanted to die and got help to end their life peacefully rather than killing themselves in the more common way, but deaths from mental illness are not a new thing.

I have no idea if I would support this if it was my child, but rightly or wrongly I suspect I would not, keeping hope that a remedy could be found.

The bottom one is tommorow and the other girl Milou was only 2 years ago so yes "all of a sudden" !
 
The bottom one is tommorow and the other girl Milou was only 2 years ago so yes "all of a sudden" !
Fair enough. I still don't feel I can be outraged by it as I have no idea about mental illnesses like this. I can say I'm saddened for them though.

This is an interesting article.

Especially about the example of a managed death after 20 failed self-deaths.
 
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Milou (17) is no longer with us. After her euthanasia, a heated debate erupted.

Two years ago, euthanasia ended years of suffering for Milou, who was only 17 years old.

The once lively girl was, in her teens, a shadow of the cheerful child she used to be.

After her euthanasia, a debate erupted about this sensitive subject, even reaching the political arena in The Hague.

You can now watch a documentary about this – and especially about Milou.

Milou’s struggle continues is the apt title of the documentary that NTR is broadcasting tonight. It is a struggle to draw attention to young people with psychological trauma and to gain understanding for the desire to die of these, often still, children.

But not everyone agrees with the latter.

Metro saw Milou’s struggle continues for the television programme Blik op de Buis.

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Last year, we did the same with Medialogica Ontleedt: Attention to euthanasia as a result of psychological suffering on the same subject.

Tonight’s documentary is long, an hour and a half, but absolutely thorough (and interesting and sad).

Euthanasia was Milou’s salvation

Euthanasia brought Milou her much-desired salvation. For years, she struggled with psychological trauma and failed therapies from many practitioners, resulting in several failed suicide attempts.

Towards the end of her life, Milou was convinced that she ‘did not want her parents to find her’.

By choosing euthanasia, the teenager wanted to say goodbye with dignity to her parents Mireille and Louis, her two brothers and her friends.

When Mireille once dared to ask her daughter if she ever thought about death, she said: ‘All the time, Mum.’

Her mother plays a prominent role in this documentary. Mireille is a woman with a lot of grief, but she tells her story in a calm manner. “Yes, how do you prepare for the death of your child?

As a parent, you can’t imagine that, and we knew it was going to happen.

That our child would just walk up the stairs that day, towards death. When I opened the fridge, I saw cartons of milk that had a longer shelf life than my child.

Because it was going to happen on that day and at that time. But at the last moment, when we were upstairs, we said: Milou, it’s okay.”

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Is euthanasia allowed at a young age?

Under Dutch law, it is possible to receive euthanasia from the age of 12 under very strict conditions. It is possible in cases of unbearable suffering due to illness, but also in cases of hopeless psychological suffering.

In the Netherlands, the number of euthanasia procedures performed on young people under the age of 30 has been rising in recent years. This involves several dozen cases.

In total, 10,000 Dutch people received this end-of-life treatment last year.

Milou wanted to help everyone

Milou was the kind of child you always saw doing handstands, and her dream was to become a (musical) singer.

Her father Louis called her Mother Theresa because she cared about the suffering of others and always wanted to help. Whether it was a poor dog on Curaçao or the boy who was being bullied in her school class.

When her little brother, who has Down syndrome, falls into a coma after suffering from double pneumonia, Milou sits by his bedside in the hospital for days on end.

From that moment on, things really went wrong for the girl. Later, sexual abuse was added to the mix, during a film night at someone’s home and several times by a client of a mental health institution where Milou was also being treated.

A teenager who wanted to help everyone, but couldn’t help herself. Milou was ultimately exhausted and very grateful to psychiatrist Menno Oosterhoff for supporting her wish for euthanasia (as were her parents and two friends in the documentary, incidentally).

Oosterhoff also performed the euthanasia and now says about young people who are “struggling”: “They don’t want to end their lives, but their suffering.”

Milou herself explains this in the film. AI has been able to mimic her voice using old conversations, which is a nice addition.

A bomb under euthanasia policy

After her death, there is of course mourning, but something completely unexpected also happens. Fourteen psychiatrists and doctors send an urgent letter to the Public Prosecution Service urging a preliminary criminal investigation into euthanasia among young people.

They refer specifically to the death of a 17-year-old girl. It soon becomes clear that they are talking about Milou. Half of the writers are anonymous, the other half have never met Milou.

Mother Mireille and father Louis do not know what is happening to them. They feel that doctors want to use their daughter, whom they do not know, to undermine the euthanasia policy.

In the documentary, they say that they are being accused of “just shopping around for euthanasia”.

In the Dutch Parliament, political party NSC, through Rosanne Hertzberger, presents an initiative memorandum that sides with the letter writers: as far as the NSC is concerned, the euthanasia law should be put on hold for three years to “think about it calmly”.

Doctors who have difficulty with euthanasia for young people

It’s not just people who were on Milou’s side who are featured in Milou’s struggle continues.

Psychiatrists and doctors who have great difficulty with the possibility of euthanasia for young people also share their thoughts.

That’s fine in a documentary, of course. However, this documentary is mainly about Milou and aims to give a face to mental suffering among young people and make it discussable. Milou is now that face, and wherever she is, she will be a little proud of that.

In the end, no one could stop her from fulfilling her wish. Her mother Mireille says: “I thought a lot about what it would be like if I said: no, sorry darling, we’re really not going to do that.

I love you too much and I can’t live without you.

Would I then be able to expect her to wake up every day with a monster in her head telling her she shouldn’t be alive anymore? Would she then have to suffer like that every day for my sake?

I would find that incredibly selfish of myself.”
 
I tend to play it safe and 'crawl' along the 'kerb' at a sedate pace and like Jim, I'm a gentleman and keep family on the inside...

Not that some people give a flying **** anymore as they March towards you 3 abreast,tapping at their i-phones....

Pensioners eh,what they like?
Ric, talk us through your kerb crawling in Glasgow....
 
Fair enough. I still don't feel I can be outraged by it as I have no idea about mental illnesses like this. I can say I'm saddened for them though.

This is an interesting article.

Especially about the example of a managed death after 20 failed self-deaths.
One of those discussions that you're either for or against, with an impossibility for middle ground. Valid arguments for both sides. I understand if you're religious that you'd be against. But then equally are you against putting an animal out of it's misery if it's beyond help - I have childhood memories of my father suffocating a runover dog to end its pain and I've had to shoot sheep who had udder gangrene twice - it's not pleasant but feels like mercy

Personally, if I have an incurable illness where only huge doses of morphine take away the endless pain and there's zero life quality, I'd rather switch out the lights on my own terms.

I've experienced two family members dying from dementia and mnd and both times closer family members 'chose' the doctor to help the end come a bit quicker and easier... So think this is just legalising what has been happening anyway.

Can't imagine the conflicts that the parents of these two girls have. I suppose if you've got a kid who is determined to kill themselves to the point of jumping off a car park roof, and if psychological intervention hasnt worked, at least legalised euthanasia is a more peaceful and civilised way than locking your own child up in a straightjacket indefinitely to protect them.
 
Just to show how ****ed this country is..... to stop losing the World Championships to China or Dubai..... THIS

Prime Minister Keir Starmer has expressed his “delight” at a £45 million upgrade and expansion for Sheffield Theatres. The organisation's Grade II-listed Crucible Theatre has received £35m from the government and £10m from a mix of private sector and philanthropic partners to increase auditorium capacity by up to 50%.

So an auditorium that was minuscule has been increased to just above minuscule at a cost of £45 million... they could have flattened it and re built it 5 times the size for the same money or less.... BUNG CENTRAL.... some building giant is laughing their cocks off... you can build a football stadium for that!@!@!@!@

As we've paid for it, can we just rack up, excuse the pun...
 
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