WAR! What is it good for?

[brb]

Maybe Trump's thinking is that to control the Strait he needs to first control that island.

 

[Saf]

I was thinking that, I originally heard he'd indicated for 5,000 troops to go to the Middle East a while back, then I thought it's a bit ridiculous keep giving Iran deadlines, because all you are doing is allowing them to pre-empt you - but he suddenly changes from 48 hours to 5 days, then another order for 3,000 troops to go to the ME, so did the original 5k not go or is the more recent figure on top of that, then later today I heard 1,000 airbourne troops have been ordered there. It makes me think he's going to do a land invasion on that energy island that got tapped by Israel.

I remember seeing on the weekend that the marines were heading over from Japan and I assumed it wasn’t just a cruise that they were going on.

It looks like a build-up for an invasion. Maybe it’s to put more pressure on the Iranians to do a deal but I doubt it.

 

[brb]

I remember seeing on the weekend that the marines were heading over from Japan and I assumed it wasn’t just a cruise that they were going on.

It looks like a build-up for an invasion. Maybe it’s to put more pressure on the Iranians to do a deal but I doubt it.

I wonder if he's going to go for troops on the ground here...

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[Saf]

I wonder if he's going to go for troops on the ground here...

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I know nothing about that island. Never heard of it until it was attacked.

It makes sense though reading that. Maybe take the island and have the ground troops on the coast to manage the strait of Hormuz?

**** knows.

 

[brb]

I know nothing about that island. Never heard of it until it was attacked.

It makes sense though reading that. Maybe take the island and have the ground troops on the coast to manage the strait of Hormuz?

**** knows.

He'd be mad as a hatter and get thousands of American troops killed if he tried to put boots on the ground in Iran, but take that island you then control Iran financially.

My worry with it is American troops then become sitting targets with a lot of inflammable **** on it.

The question is how mad will Iran get if you do that and what lengths might they go to in making you regret such a move. ****ed if I'd want to be an American going there right now, I'd ask if I could stay in Japan.

 

[Citizen Kane.]

I was thinking that, I originally heard he'd indicated for 5,000 troops to go to the Middle East a while back, then I thought it's a bit ridiculous keep giving Iran deadlines, because all you are doing is allowing them to pre-empt you - but he suddenly changes from 48 hours to 5 days, then another order for 3,000 troops to go to the ME, so did the original 5k not go or is the more recent figure on top of that, then later today I heard 1,000 airbourne troops have been ordered there. It makes me think he's going to do a land invasion on that energy island that got tapped by Israel.

There has been talk in Israel of a joint special ops mission to take out the Isfahan nuclear plant and try to secure and remove the 400kg of enriched uranium, but it would be like something out of a Bond film and highly unlikely to be possible in reality.

Although having said that, Trump's grip on reality is about as strong as Tottenham's on the premier league these days, so who knows.

 

[Archers Road]

Maybe Trump's thinking

I doubt it

 

[Big Ern]

I never knew that. I was thinking the second bomb brought that about.

And there was still an attempted coup to stop the emperor surrendering.

 

[Big Ern]

He'd be mad as a hatter and get thousands of American troops killed if he tried to put boots on the ground in Iran, but take that island you then control Iran financially.

My worry with it is American troops then become sitting targets with a lot of inflammable **** on it.

The question is how mad will Iran get if you do that and what lengths might they go to in making you regret such a move. ****ed if I'd want to be an American going there right now, I'd ask if I could stay in Japan.

I'd booby trap Kharg with nasty biological **** if I were Iran.

 

[BobbyD]

He's a toerag who I wouldn't normally quote, but there's a fantastic piece by Russell Brand lamenting the fact that our global economy is set up such that disasters and tragedies generate the most profit. There is little to no incentive for companies to want things to improve, because there's no profit in that. At a micro level, this is why TVs and washing machines are built like **** and last no more than a few years. At a macro level, we cannot have a norm where already gargantuan pharmaceutical companies see profit in the billions thanks to a pandemic they had a hand - however indirectly - in starting. It just makes tragedy more enticing and the preferred default environment.

And before you say "it was always this way", it wasn't. For a very brief time between the renaissance and the industrialisation of war (i.e. when disease couldn't really be addressed in a serious way, and war was financially ruinous instead of profitable) things like exploration, discovery, trade and innovation drove the world's economy. Didn't last long.

I tend to agree with this stuff being built not to last.
Although i read something the other day that made me take a second thought like how buildings etc dont last as long anymore or paints etc. things that normally make things last ages and is also cheap in the past were things like asbestos and lead. Whoever this **** is also pretty toxic to humans which is why we have gotten rid of it all which makes sense.

Not sure how true all that is but I'm sure it plays a part

 

[BobbyD]

I met a British guy who was in a Japanese prisoner of war camp, I'm pretty sure he would have been calling them something a lot stronger than 'Japs' back in 1945 - he despised them for the rest of his entire life.

I'm not uderstanding her Japanese example is what I'm saying.

It's much like my father not liking that I had a German friend, that's what World War brings hatred of the population of certain countries.

Not sure that's right blaming that on the Americans, considering they did attack Pearl (Harbor) Harbour to gain pre emptive advantage.

Oh and while on about the 'Japs' -

• Persecution (China & Burma): In occupied China, Japanese forces destroyed around 220 mosques by 1941, killed thousands of Hui Muslims, and engaged in "killing policies," sometimes desecrating mosques with pork fat. Similarly, Japanese forces brutally mistreated Rohingya Muslims in Burma.

Trump was wrong to bring up Pearl (Harbor) Harbour in his recent meeting. I've always felt it was wrong that the Americans dropped the atom bomb on the Japanese, not once but twice - some ppl on here have disagreed with me on that view over the years, that's their view and I accept it for that.

Thats not the worse of the japanese.

Rape of nanjing
Unit 731 - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unit_731
And to top it all off the u.s. basically pardoned them all for their "research" if i remember it correctly.
Comfort women all across asia (which is why all the asian countries hate japan in the older generations).

 

[BobbyD]

Read somewhere that iran is actually pretty advanced and some other facts that i found interesting (i thought there would just be savages from the news and obviously because they are hardcore muslims).

They rank 15th in the world in education (according to gemini and is the top for islamic countries). 97% literacy rate. This is why they have been able to create quite an advanced country with weapons, ski resorts, infrastructure even if their laws have not kept up with more modern standards.

The country is nearly the size of western europe and is 3x bigger than Afghanistan. The population is 90 million which is 4x bigger than when we invaded afghanistan. So there are a lot more fighting men.

 

[Saf]

Read somewhere that iran is actually pretty advanced and some other facts that i found interesting (i thought there would just be savages from the news and obviously because they are hardcore muslims).

They rank 15th in the world in education (according to gemini and is the top for islamic countries). 97% literacy rate. This is why they have been able to create quite an advanced country with weapons, ski resorts, infrastructure even if their laws have not kept up with more modern standards.

The country is nearly the size of western europe and is 3x bigger than Afghanistan. The population is 90 million which is 4x bigger than when we invaded afghanistan. So there are a lot more fighting men.

Don’t they have the oldest university in the world?

I don’t think the majority would take up arms if their armed forces were quickly swatted away but thats only because of what the western media say. I don’t believe them anymore. They’re clearly not reporting the extent that Iran are fighting back. It’s all one sided reporting, atm.

 

[FosseFilberto]

Gets funnier and funnier... or at least it would be if it wasn't about death and destruction...

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Thinking the 'very big present' might have been a Persian Rug for the White House Drawing Room

 

[FosseFilberto]

And there was still an attempted coup to stop the emperor surrendering.

It's like you guys never watched The Last Samurai

 

[Saf]

Iran doesn’t give a ****



IRGC commander Ali Akbar Ahmadian issued a statement on Twitter that just reads:

"For years we have been waiting for the Americans to reach the designated points, and for more than two decades, we have trained for this moment with an asymmetric warfare strategy. Now, we have only one message for the American soldiers: Come closer."

 

[luvgonzo]

"US negotiating with itself" ****ing lol

 

[Gessa]

All this because he's pissed off with the Swede's not giving him the noble peace prize

 

[Archers Road]

All this because he's pissed off with the Swede's not giving him the noble peace prize

It’s almost as if the one FIFA gave him was just a ****ing embarrassment

 

[Spurlock]

Don’t they have the oldest university in the world?

I don’t think the majority would take up arms if their armed forces were quickly swatted away but thats only because of what the western media say. I don’t believe them anymore. They’re clearly not reporting the extent that Iran are fighting back. It’s all one sided reporting, atm.

Fun fact:

The tradition of wearing the long black cloak and headpiece on graduation is an Iranian/Persian invention