Match Day Thread Hull City v Sheff Wed

[SydneyTiger14]

If now (against a historically bad Sheffield Wednesday) isn't the time to try to test out a youngster in a one off game, I'm curious on why people thought two years ago at this time of year against much tougher opposition was the time to throw an inexperienced and young Ivor Pandur in for a play off race, and subsequently blamed the manager for not doing so.

 

[Gone For A Walk]

Thats not how it is being said though is it? Certainly not by me.

There is a time to introduce academy products and young inexperienced players, we have done it this season earlier on. Now, the business end in high pressure situations is not the time. Certainly not when we dont actually have any that are showing any signs of being ready.

When youngsters like wayne rooney or the lad at arsenal now break through it isn't by chance. They've been ripping it apart at every level they've been exposed to. We dont have any youngster that is screaming first team potential. In fact the person I have asked about our academy described it as the worst crop for some time.

We have a huge game this weekend and need experienced players on the field to ensure we get 3 points. Its not time to be throwing babies into situations theyre not used to.

Agree.
And unfortunately I think you are right, or at least the person you asked is, in that it's hard to see 1st teamers coming through from the academy atm.
McCarthy is the clear, known exception.
Pharrel Brown stood out to a degree so it will be interesting to see how he develops at Hartlepool now (a few steps up from Scarborough and Guisely).
Tinsdale looked a prospect to me but his injury has set his progress back.
Beyond that it's younger ones like Bobby Moore and Stan Ashbee, but they are a year or so behind so TWT.
If academy lads were good enough & ready enough to fill in, then of course that is exactly what would be happening! We even have Daws in place now as a dedicated resource to ensure that transition happens.

 

[Amin Arrears]

I completely disagree and stand by the fact that a youngster playing in their natural will offer more than a pro playing out of theirs.

A team of youngster however? Not a chance. One player playing in a one off game will do us absolutely no harm.

It will be an absolute nonsense to take our player of the season (Slater) out of midfield to put him LB and then take our 2nd choice RB (Drameh) to put him LB. We will be down 3 positions there (CM/LB/RB). Put an academy player in and we are down one.

If we don’t have a youth player fit to play fullback, fair enough. If we do, they must start.

Not to mention we will have 2 left backs and still have no right back.

 

[Gone For A Walk]

If now (against a historically bad Sheffield Wednesday) isn't the time to try to test out a youngster in a one off game, I'm curious on why people thought two years ago at this time of year against much tougher opposition was the time to throw an inexperienced and young Ivor Pandur in for a play off race, and subsequently blamed the manager for not doing so.

Ah, the inexperienced Panda who had already had 75 senior appearances in the top divisions in Croatia, Italy and Holland, and had Croatian caps all the way through to U21's?!!
Yes, he was young and inexperienced in English football, but pretty experienced in senior football at a high level.
I don't know if it was the right decision or not to play him in truth, but I do know the alternative was not very good, and arguably Panda sort of proved the point by winning 3 player of the year awards (including players player) last season.
Anyway, good deflection. Are you also going with an out of position Stan as your suggestion?

 

[Kalman II]

What a bizarre post!!
I said repeatedly, as others have, that he's the standout. That's why he's been with the 1st team and regularly named on the bench.

-> ‘Why doesn’t everyone just agree with me all the time? ‘

Another totally bizarre post! It's not that at all, as anyone with even half a brain would understand. The banging the head gif was about repeated stupid posts saying we should play an academy kid on Saturday, in a crucial game for us, yet can't mention who that kid would actually be other than the suggestion of Stan Ashbee who doesn't even play as a FB!! It's not why don't they agree with me, it's wtaf is going on here!!!

That’s just wrong as I already said Wadsworth when you did your ‘Who? Who?’ owl routine.

You’re playing dumb, though in your case I doubt you’re playing at it.

 

[Kalman II]

If now (against a historically bad Sheffield Wednesday) isn't the time to try to test out a youngster in a one off game, I'm curious on why people thought two years ago at this time of year against much tougher opposition was the time to throw an inexperienced and young Ivor Pandur in for a play off race, and subsequently blamed the manager for not doing so.

Rosenior gave Matty Jacob his City debut against Sheffield Wednesday in 2024 when we were pushing for the playoffs. Before that game, his last taste of senior football was a loan at Gateshead in 2022. Rosenior then went on to prefer him to Giles.

Don’t know why people are acting like it’s unthinkable or unprecedented to give someone like Wadsworth a chance lol.

 

[SydneyTiger14]

Ah, the inexperienced Panda who had already had 75 senior appearances in the top divisions in Croatia, Italy and Holland, and had Croatian caps all the way through to U21's?!!
Yes, he was young and inexperienced in English football, but pretty experienced in senior football at a high level.
I don't know if it was the right decision or not to play him in truth, but I do know the alternative was not very good, and arguably Panda sort of proved the point by winning 3 player of the year awards (including players player) last season.
Anyway, good deflection. Are you also going with an out of position Stan as your suggestion?

Yes, inexperienced, I think that's what I said.

Is he winning those awards again this year or was last year heavily situational?

Anyway, nice deflection. Are you going to go with an out of position McNair as your suggestion?

 

[Gone For A Walk]

That’s just wrong as I already said Wadsworth when you did your ‘Who? Who?’ owl routine.

You’re playing dumb, though in your case I doubt you’re playing at it.

Seriously, and as I answered to you, don't you think that if the club thought Wadsworth was a solution then he'd be with the 1st team squad now and at least on the bench this Saturday?
Instead he's been at National League North getting a taste of mens football with Scarborough. It's maybe interesting to note that he's already had loans to Tadcaster, Farsley, Chester and Boston, and still the club has decided he should now go to Scarborough?
I sincerely hope he smashes it at Scarborough and then goes on to make a break through, just like I do for all our academy lads ... but from what I've seen myself, and more importantly what Sellers, Daws and Jak clearly think, I'll stick with the belief that you are the one playing dumb without have to play at it if that is your serious suggestion!! Sorry, never mind owls, but you are in cloud cuckoo land

 

[SydneyTiger14]

KLP had a massive one loan out to Bradford Park Avenue before getting his chance with us, Matty Jacob was seen as too **** to play for Reading in League One. Just because loans don't work out or a player doesn't stand out while on loan doesn't mean they won't 'rise to the occasion' when played at a higher level. I think coaches are generally far too reticent to introduce or give minutes to younger players. When Parker was on our bench while a few forwards were out injured I don't know why he wasn't given 10 minutes at the end of games where we were winning comfortably (I think he was on the bench when we were 3-0 up against PNE?).

 

[Gone For A Walk]

Yes, inexperienced, I think that's what I said.

Is he winning those awards again this year or was last year heavily situational?

Anyway, nice deflection. Are you going to go with an out of position McNair as your suggestion?

FFS Syd, he's played there for Man Utd and Northern Ireland, and filled in for his other clubs when needed!

 

[Amin Arrears]

Why is everyone talking about this Wandsworth chap? Surely it would be one of Pharrell Brown, Nathan Tinsdale, Stan Ashbee, Rocco Coyle or Aiden Sheehan who would step up?

 

[SydneyTiger14]

FFS Syd, he's played there for Man Utd and Northern Ireland, and filled in for his other clubs when needed!

Millar has played a season at LWB for Preston, guess that means he should play on the left with Drameh on the right then?

 

[Kalman II]

Seriously, and as I answered to you, don't you think that if the club thought Wadsworth was a solution then he'd be with the 1st team squad now and at least on the bench this Saturday?
Instead he's at National League North getting a taste of mens football with Scarborough. It's maybe interesting to note that he's already had loans to Tadcaster, Farsley, Chester and Boston, and still the club has decided he should now go to Scarborough?
I sincerely hope he smashes it at Scarborough and then goes on to make a break through, just like I do for all our academy lads ... but from what I've seen myself, and more importantly what Sellers, Daws and Jak clearly think, I'll stick with the belief that you are the one playing dumb without have to play at it if that is your serious suggestion!! Sorry, never mind owls, but you are in cloud cuckoo land

Matty Jacob was at Gateshead in the National League North in 2022 and didn’t play senior football until 2024 when he made his debut for City in the Championship. Wadsworth has actually played senior football at the same level Jacob did as recently as this year, not two years ago. Why is it bizarre for him to be called upon during an injury crisis?

 

[Gone For A Walk]

Matty Jacob was at Gateshead in the National League North in 2022 and didn’t play senior football until 2024 when he made his debut for City in the Championship. Wadsworth has actually played senior football at the same level Jacob did as recently as this year, not two years ago. Why is it bizarre for him to be called upon during an injury crisis?

Oh my god!!! It wouldn't be bizarre if he were good enough and ready enough!! He isn't. How many times have you seen him play? That isn't me saying this, it's those that see him play and train every single day. They've sent him off to Scarborough at a time when Giles, Jacob and Famewo were out injured and Coyle was carrying an injury (and now out)!!! Why is it so difficult to see and accept the bleedin obvious? Do you know better than them?

 

[Jim the Tiger]

Rosenior gave Matty Jacob his City debut against Sheffield Wednesday in 2024 when we were pushing for the playoffs. Before that game, his last taste of senior football was a loan at Gateshead in 2022. Rosenior then went on to prefer him to Giles.

Don’t know why people are acting like it’s unthinkable or unprecedented to give someone like Wadsworth a chance lol.

He also messed up our play off chances, got sacked and is now the laughing stock of English football. Full context is always worth giving.

 

[Amin Arrears]

He also messed up our play off chances, got sacked and is now the laughing stock of English football. Full context is always worth giving.

Ruined our fa cup run too the ****.

 

[PLT]

Weird debate this. People on both sides taking quite extreme stances that we "must" play a youth team player even though most of us know nothing about any of them or conversely that you can't possibly introduce a youth player at this stage of the season.

Surely the reality is that it depends how good the player is, and all of these examples of players who were or were not trusted in the past are fairly irrelevant. If there is someone in the U21s who is good enough to step in then I'm sure they would. But all the signs suggest that there is not someone good enough to do that right now.

 

[Kalman II]

Oh my god!!! It wouldn't be bizarre if he were good enough and ready enough!! He isn't. How many times have you seen him play? That isn't me saying this, it's those that see him play and train every single day. They've sent him off to Scarborough at a time when Giles, Jacob and Famewo were out injured and Coyle was carrying an injury (and now out)!!! Why is it so difficult to see and accept the bleedin obvious? Do you know better than them?

He joined Scarborough in November, you thick ****.

 

[SydneyTiger14]

He also messed up our play off chances, got sacked and is now the laughing stock of English football. Full context is always worth giving.

Sorry so to clarify you're saying Jacob should never have played for us and has been poor?

 

[SydneyTiger14]

Weird debate this. People on both sides taking quite extreme stances that we "must" play a youth team player even though most of us know nothing about any of them or conversely that you can't possibly introduce a youth player at this stage of the season.

Surely the reality is that it depends how good the player is, and all of these examples of players who were or were not trusted in the past are fairly irrelevant. If there is someone in the U21s who is good enough to step in then I'm sure they would. But all the signs suggest that there is not someone good enough to do that right now.

Of course and to clarify I'm not advocating any youth player be thrown in against, for instance, Birmingham, it's specifically in this game given the quality of the opposition.