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No Christmas or Easter celebrations for you then?
Is celebrating a patron saint religious?

Definitely no Easter celebration, and at Christmas I merely celebrate a free day off work.
As for is celebrating a patron saint religious, I attach the description of a saint, make of it what you will - A saint is generally recognized as a person of exceptional holiness, closely associated with God and virtue, and often venerated after death
 
I don't care about any of them. They're trivia facts to be aware of and that's about it. Also don't care if people do want to have a Guinness on that or any other day. It'd be nice if we got a bank holiday though.
I like the idea of an England day personally and that is (subject to varied opinion) 23rd April. I just have no affiliation with St George as stated. Wasn't expecting to have my pariotism challenged though, but I'm not butthurt over it ;)
 
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Definitely no Easter celebration, and at Christmas I merely celebrate a free day off work.
As for is celebrating a patron saint religious, I attach the description of a saint, make of it what you will - A saint is generally recognized as a person of exceptional holiness, closely associated with God and virtue, and often venerated after death
Thought you might volunteer to work as it has no significance to you.
 
I like the idea of an England day personally and that is (subject to varied opinion) 23rd April. I just have no affiliation with St George as stated. Wasn't expecting to have my pariotism challenged though, but I'm not butthurt over it ;)
Scots don’t have an affiliation with Andrew, Irish with Patrick but they celebrate them.
 
It's an interesting point.
If you mock / remove / ignore all those things but don't replace them with something really meaningful that people can get behind then there's a massive vacuum left. The country no longer knows what it actually is any more .... and that feels like what is happening.
The church isn't the answer as the majority see through it and have turned away, never to return.
The monarchy have self destructed and aren't really relevant to anything much anymore (other than ceremonial purposes).
Old fashion values are fading fast.
It feels like we need to define what it means to be British (or English?), what is expected of us (or conversely what can't be tolerated). But how the hell does that happen nowadays when the country is more divided than it's ever been?
I think there is an answer but it wouldn't be universally popular, and I can't go there as it veers into politics.
That's a fair point, gfaw.

Clearly being British means different things to different ppl - not sure it can be defined anymore (if it ever could) in the same way. I remember relatives coming over to visit in the late 1970s from Rhodesia/Zimbabwe who couldn't believe how much England had changed then, because their ideas were from the 1940s/1950s when they left the UK. It's always changing and fluid and the population changes make that even more so.


I disagree with you that all things are changing for the worse. Some things are, and some things have changed temporarily due to politics.. say no more, but many things are changing for the better and life is getting better for the majority - changing attitudes towards women by many, not all, are great to see in the newer generations.
 
That's a fair point, gfaw.

Clearly being British means different things to different ppl - not sure it can be defined anymore (if it ever could) in the same way. I remember relatives coming over to visit in the late 1970s from Rhodesia/Zimbabwe who couldn't believe how much England had changed then, because their ideas were from the 1940s/1950s when they left the UK. It's always changing and fluid and the population changes make that even more so.


I disagree with you that all things are changing for the worse. Some things are, and some things have changed temporarily due to politics.. say no more, but many things are changing for the better and life is getting better for the majority - changing attitudes towards women by many, not all, are great to see in the newer generations.
Err, I didn't actually say that "all things are changing for the worse"!!!!
 
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That's a fair point, gfaw.

Clearly being British means different things to different ppl - not sure it can be defined anymore (if it ever could) in the same way. I remember relatives coming over to visit in the late 1970s from Rhodesia/Zimbabwe who couldn't believe how much England had changed then, because their ideas were from the 1940s/1950s when they left the UK. It's always changing and fluid and the population changes make that even more so.


I disagree with you that all things are changing for the worse. Some things are, and some things have changed temporarily due to politics.. say no more, but many things are changing for the better and life is getting better for the majority - changing attitudes towards women by many, not all, are great to see in the newer generations.
Once again you make out oldies have antiquated attitude to women compared to the more enlightened young uns.
It would appear that is not the case. Leaving aside the attitudes of certain communities whose views have not changed since the 7th century. https://www.theguardian.com/world/2026/mar/05/gen-z-men-baby-boomers-wives-should-obey-husbands
 
Definitely no Easter celebration, and at Christmas I merely celebrate a free day off work.
As for is celebrating a patron saint religious, I attach the description of a saint, make of it what you will - A saint is generally recognized as a person of exceptional holiness, closely associated with God and virtue, and often venerated after death
What do you do about Christian burial? Stand outside the Church and go for the p!ss up afterwards?
 
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the world would be a better place if a meteor the size of mars struck earth
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Doesn't need anything that dramatic. Just something to come along and wipe out the human race (quickly and painlessly please) then let the rest of the animals crack on without us human animal's around ****ing their world up. We are certainly the cleverest yet most stupid animal on the planet.
 
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Why St George is a Palestinian hero​

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As England celebrates the day of its patron saint, many Palestinians are gearing up for their own forthcoming celebrations of the figure they also regard as a hero.

A familiar flag flaps in the wind above a Palestinian church in the West Bank village of al-Khadr.

The red cross on a white background has been associated with Saint George since the time of the Crusades.

It is the national flag of England and is also used as an emblem by other countries and cities that have adopted him as their own patron saint.

However, Palestinians have particular reason to display the symbol and revere the early Christian martyr. For them he is a local hero who opposed the persecution of his fellow Christians in the Holy Land.

"We believe he was a great martyr for his faith who defended the Christian faith and values," says Greek Orthodox Archbishop Atallah Hanna.
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The St George's flag flies above a Palestinian church

"By making sacrifices for his faith he was able to defeat evil. We take St George as a patron for people living here - and as he was born in historic Palestine, we pray to him to remember us and this holy land."

St George was a Roman soldier during the Third Century AD, when the Emperor Diocletian was in power. It is said that he once lived in al-Khadr near Bethlehem, on land owned by his mother's family.

While the saint's father is usually traced back to Cappadocia, an area in modern Turkey, it is believed his mother was Palestinian from Lydda - now Lod, in Israel.

The saint is remembered for giving away his possessions and remaining true to his religion when he was imprisoned and tortured before he was finally executed.

There are many churches in the West Bank and Israel that bear the name of St George - at al-Khadr, Lod and in the Galilee, for example.

While the Western world marks St George's Day on 23 April, in the Palestinian areas it falls on 6 May, according to the older calendar used by the Eastern Churches.

A service is held for the saint at al-Khadr, bringing worshippers from the Bethlehem area and much further afield to light candles and say prayers. During the feast, special bread is baked that shows him in his typical pose as a dragon slayer.
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The image of St George appears in the form of statues, mosaics and even bread (top right)
Such images are also a permanent feature on many Palestinian Christian homes and public buildings. It is thought that the saint brings them protection.

"He's a native saint who has done many miracles. We respect him a lot," explains sculptor Akram Anastas.

"He's presented as a knight full of peace and grace, riding his horse and always fighting evil, which is symbolised by the dragon. We write underneath in Arabic 'God bless our house.'"

Anastas has worked on thousands of stone carvings of the saint during his career, selling them to Palestinian and international buyers.

"I like him very much. He's a good friend of mine and I've found him many times in my life. He's my guardian angel," he says.
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Sculptor Akram Anastas has made thousands of stone carvings of St George
With its associations of courage, gallantry and honour, the Christian name, George, remains one of the most common in the Palestinian Territories.

Other variants are Khadr (Arabic for "green one") and Jeries.

In a Bethlehem coffee shop known locally as "Abu George" [the father of George], I sit with members of the Thalgieh family, who are all called George.


Palestinian men sing a song dedicated to St George
"Maybe we have 10 people [named George] until now. Perhaps in the future we will reach 100," says George Elias Saba Thalgieh.

"Here in Bethlehem, it's not just our family. We all believe that St George will help us when we need him. If you have an accident the first thing you say is 'Ya Khadr' - it means we are calling for St George to help us.

"I love the name. Our grandfather is George, I am George so now my sons will name their sons George," adds the older man's nephew, George Nabil George Thalgieh, a well-known singer.
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The many Georges of the Talgieh family standing outside the "Abu George" coffee shop
Anticipating this year's St George's Day, the two generations join in a traditional verse.
"Oh, St George we pray at al-Khadr," go the lyrics. "We are the Christians with the candles in our hands."

There are a number of customs associated with the saint.

Sometimes the Greek Orthodox priest is asked to insert a key into the mouth of children with speech difficulties, turning it to "unlock" their tongues.

There is a ritual in which visitors put a chain around their neck, pass it over their body and kiss it three times. This is thought to ward off sickness.

Letters asking St George to solve family disputes are placed inside the glass that covers his icon.

People appealing to the saint for help also give sheep to the church so it can distribute meat to the poor.
Some Palestinian Muslims, especially those from al-Khadr, also follow the practices.

"It's not only the Christians that appreciate him, the Muslims also feel the power and the miracles of St George," says Father Ananias.

"When the church was built [in the Byzantine period] the neighbours were Christians. I don't know when the local people became Muslims, but under the Turkish [Ottomans] they protected the monastery and remained very close."
An old woman wearing a traditional embroidered dress and the Islamic veil tells me: "We all believe in al-Khadr, even my husband. I made a vow to light a candle in al-Khadr church."

Many Muslim scholars suggest that a servant of God mentioned in the Koran as an associate of Moses, refers to the figure of al-Khadr, who is identified with St George.

In the 1,700 years or so since his death, the saint has also become identified with other figures, some historical and some mythical.

The legend of him saving a maiden by killing a dragon probably originated in the Middle Ages.

Although many details of his life remain unclear, Palestinians see him as having set a powerful example for helping the needy and bravely standing up for one's beliefs.

It is this reputation that has also made him popular around the world.