How can it ever be in the majority is my line of thinking. Based on your comment that UK is majority white.
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I'm somewhat confused by what you were asked and then some of the replies I saw. Do security forces define terrorists by colour of skin? Do security forces define by religion? I'm somewhat lost in this debate.
6% of muslims in the UK define themselves as white. 30-41% of muslims in the US define themselves as white
including those of Middle Eastern, North African, and European descent.
So from my angle a terrorist is defined as someone who has extreme views generally or are fighting what they see as a cause, I'm sure this is not a correct definition but I'll carry on....
The IRA as an example, blew up UK selected targets due to the fight over the seperation (partition) of Northern Ireland. Presumably predominantly white but never mentioned.
As for religion, excluding Scotland, I don't remember religion being brought into the argument in Great Britain, ie England & Wales.
At this point I've decided whatever the question or answer I no longer care.
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There are some excellent, intelligent and, indeed, persuasive points being made here (plus a thanks to Sucky for his particular input) ...
My thoughts - for what they are worth:
Immigration - the country is certainly in crisis on this - not caused by this Government - but it is their problem to deal with. Need to differentiate between Legal and Illegal immigration and also deal with Asylum seekers. Brexit has certainly exacerbated the 'problem', because large numbers of itinerant / annual migrant workers from Europe ceased coming as a result. Those job vacancies are tending to be filled by immigrants from the third world, in large part because we have a generation(s) of 'Brits' who are content to live off the efforts of others and not contribute to society themselves. As part of an overall initiative we need to make working (minimum wage) way more attractive then living off benefits - for those able, but unwilling, to work.
Asylum - all asylum seekers need housing in secure holding facilities with no access to general British society (only possible exception would be educational for kids) until a decision is made on their application - if successful, they become British citizens, if not, they are deported. Those without papers held until their identity can be verified - the onus of proof on them.
Integration - for me this is (or has) become a major concern for most Brits - IMHO it is not healthy for society as a whole to have enclaves that resist integration into (an appreciation of) our broader 'British' society and its traditions and values. I would therefore favour a initiative similar to Australia - new arrivals (successful) need to swear to uphold the constitution and values of the country (which they have chosen to come to) and must seek to achieve a basic understanding of, and ability to communicate in, the English language. There should also be a compulsory induction during which it is made clear that this country is built upon principles of equal rights for all sexes, orientations, religions and races - and that there are no 'local community' exceptions to that base principle. Anybody objecting to those conditions should be 'helped' to find an alternative country, more in line with their preferences / principles.
Intolerance - in whatever shape or form, and towards each and every community, race, religion, orientation etc needs to be seen to have equal, serious, measured punishment under the law.
That's All Folks ... and just my view, as always.
My thoughts - for what they are worth:
Immigration - the country is certainly in crisis on this - not caused by this Government - but it is their problem to deal with. Need to differentiate between Legal and Illegal immigration and also deal with Asylum seekers. Brexit has certainly exacerbated the 'problem', because large numbers of itinerant / annual migrant workers from Europe ceased coming as a result. Those job vacancies are tending to be filled by immigrants from the third world, in large part because we have a generation(s) of 'Brits' who are content to live off the efforts of others and not contribute to society themselves. As part of an overall initiative we need to make working (minimum wage) way more attractive then living off benefits - for those able, but unwilling, to work.
Asylum - all asylum seekers need housing in secure holding facilities with no access to general British society (only possible exception would be educational for kids) until a decision is made on their application - if successful, they become British citizens, if not, they are deported. Those without papers held until their identity can be verified - the onus of proof on them.
Integration - for me this is (or has) become a major concern for most Brits - IMHO it is not healthy for society as a whole to have enclaves that resist integration into (an appreciation of) our broader 'British' society and its traditions and values. I would therefore favour a initiative similar to Australia - new arrivals (successful) need to swear to uphold the constitution and values of the country (which they have chosen to come to) and must seek to achieve a basic understanding of, and ability to communicate in, the English language. There should also be a compulsory induction during which it is made clear that this country is built upon principles of equal rights for all sexes, orientations, religions and races - and that there are no 'local community' exceptions to that base principle. Anybody objecting to those conditions should be 'helped' to find an alternative country, more in line with their preferences / principles.
Intolerance - in whatever shape or form, and towards each and every community, race, religion, orientation etc needs to be seen to have equal, serious, measured punishment under the law.
That's All Folks ... and just my view, as always.
Excellent point ... both my old girl and my mother-in-law were nurses back in the 40s 50s ... and the wards were under the iron rule of the Ward Sisters and Matrons ... my old girl was horrified by the standards of hygiene/ cleanliness when she was first in need of hospital care herself - remember her saying that after they'd cleaned the wards as trainee nurses the Sisters would do inspections to see if all the beds were properly turned down and run fingers over surfaces checking for dust ... and God help you if you ****ed up ...
I can just go on the facts I have older and younger close relations in the NHS and the training standards they went through, learning on the job so to speak always seems the best way for some careers, the NHS being one imo.
Let's not forget the fact the government, tories at the time, are getting 10-20 hour shifts out of these people with no wage, its all part of the training any private company that tried that would be sent to hell and back.
It's **** all to do with standards its all about saving money
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Pull your finger out then, problem won’t fix itself.
Guise If you can’t be arsed reading all that ****e fosse said deport them all
Of course it is. I'm not arguing otherwise.
What I'm saying is that the pervasive narrative is 'Immigrants = bad, send em all home'
When the reality is that the UK actually needs the right kind of immigration
UK is a totally different place than it was in the early 1950's bro
And it's not me saying it. It's the Home Office themselves who understand that without immigration, we'll just continue to become and older and older nation with a massive pension gap and skills shortage.
When the sort of thing that would’ve been one of the most talked about crimes of the year not long ago is happening every week if not day that is inevitable. A lot has changed in a short period of time. We can debate why that is but it doesn’t really matter. Even Sucky would acknowledge they’re not all bad. Szoboszlai is an immigrant.
Key Findings on Immigration and the Aging Population:
- Reliance on Foreign Labour: The adult social care sector has a vacancy rate of roughly 8%, and over 60% of providers reported difficulties recruiting staff in 2024. Foreign workers, particularly from outside the EU, have been crucial in filling these gaps.
- The "Care Gap": Projections suggest 350,000 more care workers will be needed by 2035 to meet the needs of an aging population.
- Policy Conflict: While the care sector relies on immigration, the government is aiming to reduce net migration, leading to tighter visa rules, such as restricting care workers from bringing dependents.
- Economic Contribution: In 2023, migrant workers in the care sector contributed an estimated £3.2 billion to the UK economy.
- Limitations of Immigration: While immigration can slow the increase of the Old Age Dependency Ratio (OADR), it cannot fully prevent population aging, as immigrants also age and eventually require services.
Pinkie Broadcasting Corporation verify has found that is BS
- Muslim Population in Prison: Muslims account for 18% of the prison population.
Anecdotal really.
In the same period knife crime and homicides are down significantly in London. So you could argue that the influx of immigrants has made London safer.
I'm not, but you see how taking anecdotes doesn't really give an accurate picture.
Anyway, the point I raised initially was that the UK needs immigration if we're going to address the worker age gap and pension contributions, as well as fill the skills gap and shortfall in the healthcare sector.
I wasn't arguing for an open door policy.
@Gessa has already clearly highlighted why there is a shortage in the NHS, it's because we exploited the people that worked in it. Not a single person here would work a nurses shift, which is why I made sure I personally thanked nurses for my care and respected them at all times.
Hence we rely on migration because we take the piss and some migrants are prepared to be exploited for the hours.
Our nurses were overworked and exhausted. Because like Gessa said it was all about saving money - if you want a proper functioning NHS, and people that progress through our own educational system, we have to stop taking the piss.
Hence we rely on migration because we take the piss and some migrants are prepared to be exploited for the hours.
Our nurses were overworked and exhausted. Because like Gessa said it was all about saving money - if you want a proper functioning NHS, and people that progress through our own educational system, we have to stop taking the piss.