The argument/complete nonsense thread...

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dennisboothstash said:
Not if you believe people who’ve actually joined and exposed the complete lack of vetting
I’m more inclined to believe them than you despite your vast in depth knowledge of the subject
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No HHH is right, "they're just blokes / thugs dragged of the street" and thrown in with no training to just assassinate people. Come on.
Anyway, crack on with the BS. I'm gonna watch the football now thanks.
p.s. re the twitter accusations to me, the discussion started off by Rerver posting a twitter thread so naturally that's what I responded to! I'd actually been listening to LBC partly to get their slanted side of it. The phone in topic was along the lines of "are you now frightened to travel to the USA incase you get caught up in what's happening and shot". It's absolutely laughable.
 
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Here is another video which shows one of the ICE taking the gun from him, then chilling, the shots start firing, all 10 of them while he was held on the floor by ICE agents.
Watch for the red circles and there's no arguement to it.
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rovertiger said:
Here is another video which shows one of the ICE taking the gun from him, then chilling, the shots start firing, all 10 of them while he was held on the floor by ICE agents.
Watch for the red circles and there's no arguement to it.
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In that country, i was there week before last, its perfectly normal for people to carry a gun. There is nothing odd or unlawful for most people to be armed. This is weird and unnatural for people in Europe but its normal for them. Saying he has a gun us like saying a Brit has a combe or penknife....
 
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rovertiger said:
Here is another video which shows one of the ICE taking the gun from him, then chilling, the shots start firing, all 10 of them while he was held on the floor by ICE agents.
Watch for the red circles and there's no arguement to it.
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He was licenced to carry a gun and nobody has tried to argue he didn't have a gun. The point is at no point did he get the gun in his hand. If ICE agents are that scared that a holstered gun is going to kill them then maybe they are even less intelligent than I gave them credit for.
 
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Theres now a law suit in place to stop the disposal of or tampering of evidence.. (too late) that ruling came 9 hours after the fact...
 
Paul Jewitt said:
He was licenced to carry a gun and nobody has tried to argue he didn't have a gun. The point is at no point did he get the gun in his hand. If ICE agents are that scared that a holstered gun is going to kill them then maybe they are even less intelligent than I gave them credit for.
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'He was licenced to carry a gun and nobody has tried to argue he didn't have a gun.'
Also you :'On the 2 videos I've watched he clearly isn't armed, they don't take a weapon from him'
 
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rovertiger said:
Here is another video which shows one of the ICE taking the gun from him, then chilling, the shots start firing, all 10 of them while he was held on the floor by ICE agents.
Watch for the red circles and there's no arguement to it.
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The boy Orwell is getting a lot of quotage these days; it's almost like he's coming up for air.

Anyway, it's fast becoming a cliche - which is a pity - but there you go:

"The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command"


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Chesh1recat said:
'He was licenced to carry a gun and nobody has tried to argue he didn't have a gun.'
Also you :'On the 2 videos I've watched he clearly isn't armed, they don't take a weapon from him'
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Semantics. He wasn't 'armed' in the sense of being ready to use a weapon, and on the 2 videos I watched you couldn't see them remove a weapon from a position on his body where it wasn't a threat to anyone.
 
Well, considering I don't use twitter and the videos I watched (and the breakdown of 'claims of ICE' vs the video evidence) is from multiple news agencies rather than some echo chamber, I'm happy to trust my viewpoint over someone looking for validation of their bias. If anyone can seriously look at the multiple videos available and think the guy was a threat worthy of execution then I hope they aren't able to breed
 
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Paul Jewitt said:
Well, considering I don't use twitter and the videos I watched (and the breakdown of 'claims of ICE' vs the video evidence) is from multiple news agencies rather than some echo chamber, I'm happy to trust my viewpoint over someone looking for validation of their bias. If anyone can seriously look at the multiple videos available and think the guy was a threat worthy of execution then I hope they aren't able to breed
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That's the point I'm making: you're no better or worse informed than anyone else, but like a lot of people on either side you will confidently make assertions based on assumptions and/or prejudices about other people's assumptions or prejudices.
 
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Chesh1recat said:
That's the point I'm making: you're no better or worse informed than anyone else, but like a lot of people on either side you will confidently make assertions based on assumptions and/or prejudices about other people's assumptions or prejudices.
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My assertions are based on what I've seen with my own eyes which (without diving into echo chambers for either side) seem to be backed up by the reporting of reliable news sources. I have now seen 3 videos (including one posted purportedly to back up justification for an execution), and I'm yet to see a video that suggests the victim was a threat to anyone. The media suggests my viewpoint is a rational one. If you have seen actual video evidence (even in an echo chamber) that suggests the victim was a genuine threat then please send me a link, otherwise I'll believe the evidence of my own eyes and base my judgement upon it.
 
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Chesh1recat said:
That's the point I'm making: you're no better or worse informed than anyone else, but like a lot of people on either side you will confidently make assertions based on assumptions and/or prejudices about other people's assumptions or prejudices.
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Whichever way you lean, what is happening in America right now is ****ing abhorrent; whether it be ICE, Trump warmongering, political allegiance being more important than human life, etc, etc.

It must be bad enough if you are a decent American, but how the **** are English people defending this sort of ****? We have different values in England to America. It just demonstrates how ****ed up our country is becoming.

To quote the **** factory, Wake Up!
 
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FER ARK said:
There's no way I want to get involved in this spat, but would all concerned (or mods) please take this to the argument thread. This is one of the better threads we have on this board, it'd be a shame to see it locked. Cheers
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I've moved it for now, but depending on how it goes, we may have to bin the posts for breaching board rules anyway, thanks.
 
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