Match Day Thread Tottenham Hotspur v Bournemouth

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The same players have played under two different styles and two very different managers and finished 17th and now in 14th.

At some point we have to accept it’s not down the managers.

Spurs could appoint Klopp tomorrow and he would struggle to get a top 10 finish with this lot.
Mainly as he never appeared in training, as he was too busy filming adverts for anyone who waved money under his nose
 
The same players have played under two different styles and two very different managers and finished 17th and now in 14th.

At some point we have to accept it’s not down the managers.

Spurs could appoint Klopp tomorrow and he would struggle to get a top 10 finish with this lot.

Agreed. Frank is a symptom, not the disease.
 
Brentford are a club where it doesn't really matter who's in the dugout as the whole backroom set up is so aligned and well oiled that all transitions are seamless. Brighton are the same.

This was my single biggest worry when we appointed Frank and he has alluded to it in interviews too. We aren't a well run club, nothing is aligned and we don't oil anything as it is too expensive.

It's also amazing how the board have gone very silent of late. You do wonder if there is any plan in place at all?
Didn't see that.

What happened?
Right at the end when they went over I think he took exception to something being said and was dragged away.
 
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The same players have played under two different styles and two very different managers and finished 17th and now in 14th.

At some point we have to accept it’s not down the managers.

Spurs could appoint Klopp tomorrow and he would struggle to get a top 10 finish with this lot.

The season before that we finished 5th with a similar core of players, and then won a trophy.

Don’t get me wrong there’s plenty I would like to change about the squad but Frank just appears clueless. Bournemouth were winless in 11, we should be playing to dominate them on the ball, we’re physically bigger across the pitch, put them under pressure and move them into positions they’re uncomfortable with. Instead we give the ball away consistently and look to rely on isolated players winning 1v1s and doing something magical.

The passing is bad but it has been all season and wasn’t with a similar group of players in the past - it’s a coaching issue. There’s no patterns of play so they can’t predict where each other will be, and they’re usually positioned too far apart to play off the cuff. We’ve got deep midfielders (Bergvall) trying to fill in on the RW and somehow also play in midfield.

It’s a mess and Frank ain’t getting us out of it.
 
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Spurs badly need some reinforcements. Can’t keep waiting for players to come back from injury and watch others join them.

This defeat has to spark the club into life.
Any reinforcements that happen in this window will be “club” signings now, I feel.
The hierarchy must be beginning to think like the large majority of the fan base. I’d be amazed if Thomas Frank is given money in this window for players he wants. It’s too much of a risk with the situation we’re in
 
Those three managers had significantly better players all over the pitch.

I said it before the game: our starting line up was an absolute state.

The levels of neglect and decay at the club are unforgivable.
don't disagree but even with lesser players you can still provide some entertaining football.
There was no excuse not to play Scarlett for example.
I actually struggle to remember enjoying watching us play...possibly Burnley on the first game of the season.
 
The same players have played under two different styles and two very different managers and finished 17th and now in 14th.

At some point we have to accept it’s not down the managers.

Spurs could appoint Klopp tomorrow and he would struggle to get a top 10 finish with this lot.
Our best X1 hasn't started a single game in that period though.
If two or three of Solanke, Maddison, Kulesevski and Udogie had actually played I suspect we would have got a few more points.
 
don't disagree but even with lesser players you can still provide some entertaining football.
There was no excuse not to play Scarlett for example.
I actually struggle to remember enjoying watching us play...possibly Burnley on the first game of the season.

Spurs haven’t been enjoyable to watch for years though. Agree this isn’t great football but we knew this was coming after his years at Brentford.
 
Brentford are a club where it doesn't really matter who's in the dugout as the whole backroom set up is so aligned and well oiled that all transitions are seamless. Brighton are the same.

This was my single biggest worry when we appointed Frank and he has alluded to it in interviews too. We aren't a well run club, nothing is aligned and we don't oil anything as it is too expensive.

For me it was this, and at a higher level, can he adapt from being a more reactionary coach to being at a club where you are expected to be the protagonist. You can justifiably say that the club aren’t set up to back him in the way he was used to, but I think he’s absolutely failing to implement anything close to an effective and recognisable style of play. Without that there’s no hope. Frank isn’t coming out with the players and thinking about how we’ll impose ourself on a game, he’s thinking more about nullifying the opposition than playing to our strengths.
 
The season before that we finished 5th with a similar core of players, and then won a trophy.

Don’t get me wrong there’s plenty I would like to change about the squad but Frank just appears clueless. Bournemouth were winless in 11, we should be playing to dominate them on the ball, we’re physically bigger across the pitch, put them under pressure and move them into positions they’re uncomfortable with. Instead we give the ball away consistently and look to rely on isolated players winning 1v1s and doing something magical.

The passing is bad but it has been all season and wasn’t with a similar group of players in the past - it’s a coaching issue. There’s no patterns of play so they can’t predict where each other will be, and they’re usually positioned too far apart to play off the cuff. We’ve got deep midfielders (Bergvall) trying to fill in on the RW and somehow also play in midfield.

It’s a mess and Frank ain’t getting us out of it.
Our inability to pass to our teammates seems to be a routine issue at this point, since it was a regular complaint when the wheels fell off the ubermensch's bus five years ago

While a sizeable chunk of that can be pinned on our players being almost completely devoid of any form of press resistance, the amount of times we have the makings of a good counter disappear into thin air because one of our players somehow failed to see an opposition player between themselves and the teammate they were trying to pass to has absolutely nothing to do with press resistance and an awful lot to do with either their decision making or basic technique training
 
For me it was this, and at a higher level, can he adapt from being a more reactionary coach to being at a club where you are expected to be the protagonist. You can justifiably say that the club aren’t set up to back him in the way he was used to, but I think he’s absolutely failing to implement anything close to an effective and recognisable style of play. Without that there’s no hope. Frank isn’t coming out with the players and thinking about how we’ll impose ourself on a game, he’s thinking more about nullifying the opposition than playing to our strengths.

Plus the question of can he cope with the pressure and scrutiny at a much bigger club.

No disrespect, but if Brentford fans boo their team after a game, it isn't newsworthy. If Spurs fans do, it is front page news, discussed by pundits and then asked by every journalist in the next press conference.

Frank has said quite a few things that suggest to me he massively underestimated just how heavy that pressure can be to carry.