Off Topic The politics thread - Starmer/Reeves/Farage etc.

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rowley said:
Why, you would wonder, did Reeves not say this in the first place? Why wait until the heat is on? It would have been clearer to explain the agent's role as soon as the matter was brought up.

Not that it matters at all. Ignorance of the law is not, and never was an excuse for breaking it. It is her direct responsibility to comply with it.

And especially in this case, as Reeves had previously campaigned for these licences to be introduced in Leeds, so she can hardly plead ignorance.

Again though, to me this a small matter, and in another time would have merited little attention. But Starmer and his colleagues, including Reeves, put themselves on a high pedestal for years, enjoying public, moral grandstanding whenever there was the slightest chance.

They have created the circumstances of which they are falling foul, and are finding the real world very uncomfortable.
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You say "small matter" but start with "Why did Reeves not" as if this is something she should have done - check the agent did as they say they would.
 
Blond Bombshell said:
You say "small matter" but start with "Why did Reeves not" as if this is something she should have done - check the agent did as they say they would.
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Yes. It is a poor error, and not long ago would have been seen as such, and little more.

But the point I was making was that when you have spent years criticising others for the slightest thing then you will be judged by those standards, and you will most likely be found wanting, as is the case here.

And yes, she SHOULD, have checked. It is her responsibility, even if she delegated it to someone elsewhere. If I give someone the money to pay my parking fine and they don't pay it, it's still my fault. I'll still catch trouble.

I'm afraid she has form. She blamed "her team" for the instances of plagiarism in her book. She blamed an assistant for some of the lies on her C.V. Now it's the agent's turn.

You can see why people aren't buying it.
 
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rowley said:
Yes. It is a poor error, and not long ago would have been seen as such, and little more.

But the point I was making was that when you have spent years criticising others for the slightest thing then you will be judged by those standards, and you will most likely be found wanting, as is the case here.

And yes, she SHOULD, have checked. It is her responsibility, even if she delegated it to someone elsewhere. If I give someone the money to pay my parking fine and they don't pay it, it's still my fault. I'll still catch trouble.

I'm afraid she has form. She blamed "her team" for the instances of plagiarism in her book. She blamed an assistant for some of the lies on her C.V. Now it's the agent's turn.

You can see why people aren't buying it.
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Yeah I agree, but some people never will... I'm afraid politics has gone downhill and society needs a reset. Stop slinging mud and be a statesman. Own it and deal with it transparently. Stop being lazy and relying on others/handouts. We need our politicians to set examples. I still have faith in straight bat Starmer to come through and deliver a brighter future.
 
Blond Bombshell said:
Yeah I agree, but some people never will... I'm afraid politics has gone downhill and society needs a reset. Stop slinging mud and be a statesman. Own it and deal with it transparently. Stop being lazy and relying on others/handouts. We need our politicians to set examples. I still have faith in straight bat Starmer to come through and deliver a brighter future.
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Starmer will probably be gone this time next year. I wouldn't know where to look for the odds, but I'd expect they'd be short on that .

He is clearly not up to the job, clearly miserable trying to do it, has no founding beliefs to sustain him, ( or he wouldn't change his mind all the time) and is probably keen to get back raking in money from the very lucrative Human Rights circuit.

Mind you, he always has that special pension to keep him happy! He has pension tax arrangements unique to him, and which required an Act of Parliament.

He was asked about this before July 2024, and he said that it was an anomaly - which it is - and that he would repeal that act immediately on entering No.10. It would take no time or effort to do this. Maybe he forgot<laugh>

What a guy!
 
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World events do play a big part but he has gone about alot the wrong way his approach has been about foreign affairs without taking care of business at home.
The Chagos is a big thing as he shouts we've got no money but happily gives billions on that deal.
That deal did not have to happen at all money wise this country needs it.
The grooming gangs all he had to do was sanction the investigations to include arrests of the people covering it up.
All the decisions he is making which in the eyes of most people whether working class or not are detrimental to the safety and security of this great nation.
If people don't feel safe in there own country they will lash out.
Starmer is the target and will be unless he makes a massive u turn.
I know he has to keep his voters happy but you and I know his own voters have turned and just like football managers they want them out if they are failing or have failed.
We can shout he's not kept to his manifesto but how many manifesto promises are kept by any party in power.
The tory party destroyed themselves and Starmer is doing the same.
All in all the small things that are affecting people in this country become big things.
Small things fester and explode you know that.
He promised things he should not have done on the economy look how that is going to bite him on the arse.
The affect is working people suffer more.
Can we wait for another 24 months I think not.
We can talk about it but nothing changes it's like someone stated on another thread rinse and repeat.
Money wasted is also what gets voters backs up
Pure River Slut said:
After this I’m not commenting on an active reform member’s threads. For clarity I’m a member of no party and I’m not sure who I’ll vote for next time but I know two parties I wont vote for based on policy and ideology alone
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So you will not be voting for Starmer or the tories.
What's wrong with active party members?
Us Comrades should stick together.
 
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I have been a Labour voter all my life, My overall feeling about Starmer is utter disappointment. The guy has a huge majority and a load of goodwill after the shambles of 14 years of the Tories. However, seemily every week he has chipped away at that goodwill where now they guy has lost every bit of respect and is now not fit for purpose. He is simply out of his depth...Sadly there is no alternative on the horizon from Labour and definitely not from any other party. Its a very sad situation
 
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Interesting comment though because I’d say faith communities do more of this from what i see but I’ve read on here some are evil. I agree about helping people. As well as hands on it’s why I think paying fair tax should be seen as patriotic. Without it we have no services. I’ve not hidden that I’m not a fan of Starmer snd McSweeneys Labour, however I love some of their policies - health and this one https://www.gov.uk/government/collections/pride-in-place are my stand outs I think this reflects what you’re saying and I’m told more investment goes into this next year.
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A good read made (skim read anyway). A lot to like about the idea. Not so sure on the funding level, looks minimal.

If I am being brutal it looks similar to Camerons Big Society. That was great in theory too. But died a quick and noiseless death.

I will make a commitment though. My local MP is labour. My last one was tory. I could talk to my last one anytime about local issues and she listened with empathy and interest. She was a brilliant local MP. Now retired. I have yet to see much of our new one. I will go down to the next surgery and offer my time and commitment to this for my little town.

If any government could deliver something like this it would be genuinely transformational. It is going to take a lot of local folk getting off their arses and giving something to their community for nowt. Not many of us like that anymore in my experience mate.
 
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FellTop said:
A good read made (skim read anyway). A lot to like about the idea. Not so sure on the funding level, looks minimal.

If I am being brutal it looks similar to Camerons Big Society. That was great in theory too. But died a quick and noiseless death.

I will make a commitment though. My local MP is labour. My last one was tory. I could talk to my last one anytime about local issues and she listened with empathy and interest. She was a brilliant local MP. Now retired. I have yet to see much of our new one. I will go down to the next surgery and offer my time and commitment to this for my little town.

If any government could deliver something like this it would be genuinely transformational. It is going to take a lot of local folk getting off their arses and giving something to their community for nowt. Not many of us like that anymore in my experience mate.
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Thought you’d like it. Yeah there’s definitely a bit of Big Society in there. The chat is that there may be more money coming next year but I guess that depends on the economy.
 
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