Off Topic The politics thread - Starmer/Reeves/Farage etc.

[LBW]

I cant get too critical of an issue like this tbh. Pay the licence, top up fine to council, and move onto bigger problems is my thoughts.

But what I cant get away from is what seems to be complete incompetence by politicians. I dont think she was trying it on here by any means. But she hasnt done the basics any of us would do. It is just careless incompetence and it is that mentality that seeps into the day job in my experience. Dot the i's and cross the t's. Be responsible for your actions.

It isnt a Labour thing for me. It is a politics thing. It is almost like you land at Westminster and leave your own personal responsibility at the door. Or maybe the majority of MPs really are just incompetent.

They got into power on the back of the tories incompetence and sleez, turns out they are no better They are a laughing stock now, worldwide we are laughed at, nobody takes them seriously. Now they are backtracking again on their manifesto with income tax, just a bunch of bullshitters, he’s worse than Boris already

 

[LBW]

No I really do. I think she’s straight as a die. She’s no dodgy geezer, quite the opposite. Her and Starmer would make the Amish look like Jim Carrey.

Why’s she dodged the license fee then, they are supposed to be well briefed and advised on stuff like this, that’s 2 high profile ministers from the top table in the matter of months found to have their nose in the trough

 

[Pure River Slut]

Of course she wouldn't have done this deliberately .This will be an error. Pretty bad for someone in such a position, but still an error.

The trouble is that is still a breach of the law, however inadvertent. ( When by the way are errors NOT inadvertent?).Had it not been for Starmer's almighty grandstanding about "law makers can never be law makers" the the matter would be closed.

So the issue is did he mean what he said, or not? When and how did he change his mind? Any criminal offence means that the ministerial code has been broken. Does this apply to Reeves? If not why not?

Etc x 100.

This is a minor matter, but Starmer's boasting about being a man of the law and about how he would "restore integrity" to politics makes it otherwise.

It is actually him that is the problem here. He has enjoyed putting himself on a pedestal of standards that no one could live up to. Including him. He is hoist by his own petard

He'll be gone by this time next year .

I’d be happy for a reboot at Labour and I think I’d want a chancellor ballsy enough to make big calls on taxing wealth and make a meaningful impact on the economy and cost of living, but not sure a civil matter based on not knowing something constitutes what you say.

 

[Pure River Slut]

The truth about why Farage wants to leave the ECHR. Don’t fall for the **** about migrants. Reform represent big business and free enterprise. Uncontrolled capitalism. There ‘s truth in Gordon Armstrong’s post above. This what the ECHR protects us from;

• Prohibition of forced labor:
  Article 4 of the ECHR prohibits slavery and forced or compulsory labor.
• Freedom of assembly and association:
  Article 11 protects the right to form and join trade unions and to strike, ensuring workers can organize collectively.
• Protection against discrimination:
  Article 14 prohibits discrimination in relation to the rights and freedoms guaranteed by the Convention. ECHR case law has also protected individuals from dismissal based on their political beliefs.
• Right to a fair trial:
  Article 6 guarantees the right to a fair trial, which can be relevant in cases of unfair dismissal or disputes with an employer.
• Protection of private life:
  Article 8 protects the right to respect for private and family life. This can be applied to workplace issues, such as excessive surveillance by an employer.
• Right to a fair hearing:
  Article 6 has also been used by businesses to ensure fair processes when dealing with regulatory bodies.
  
  Add the removal of this to their policy of fire and rehire. Those of us who need a stable job to pay the mortgage need to get people around us to wise up.

 

[rooch 3]

Does anybody believe a word she says, I don’t, if any home owner came to see a agent in that area I bet the first thing they would say before anything else would be you do realise you need a license to let your house in that area.
Or do you think they said, Oh! It’s you Rachel don’t worry we will pay the huge fine for it if we get caught, is that ok with you?

 

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[Smug in Boots]

The truth about why Farage wants to leave the ECHR. Don’t fall for the **** about migrants. Reform represent big business and free enterprise. Uncontrolled capitalism. There ‘s truth in Gordon Armstrong’s post above. This what the ECHR protects us from;

• Prohibition of forced labor:
  Article 4 of the ECHR prohibits slavery and forced or compulsory labor.
• Freedom of assembly and association:
  Article 11 protects the right to form and join trade unions and to strike, ensuring workers can organize collectively.
• Protection against discrimination:
  Article 14 prohibits discrimination in relation to the rights and freedoms guaranteed by the Convention. ECHR case law has also protected individuals from dismissal based on their political beliefs.
• Right to a fair trial:
  Article 6 guarantees the right to a fair trial, which can be relevant in cases of unfair dismissal or disputes with an employer.
• Protection of private life:
  Article 8 protects the right to respect for private and family life. This can be applied to workplace issues, such as excessive surveillance by an employer.
• Right to a fair hearing:
  Article 6 has also been used by businesses to ensure fair processes when dealing with regulatory bodies.
  
  Add the removal of this to their policy of fire and rehire. Those of us who need a stable job to pay the mortgage need to get people around us to wise up.

People don't want facts mate ...

... they want easy to remember three word slogans they can easily chant or daub on a piece of cardboard

 

[Pure River Slut]

People don't want facts mate ...

... they want easy to remember three word slogans they can easily chant or daub on a piece of cardboard

Reform are crunts

 

[rowley]

I’d be happy for a reboot at Labour and I think I’d want a chancellor ballsy enough to make big calls on taxing wealth and make a meaningful impact on the economy and cost of living, but not sure a civil matter based on not knowing something constitutes what you say.

As I say, it is the double standards that will be remembered.

 

[FellTop]

Of course she wouldn't have done this deliberately .This will be an error. Pretty bad for someone in such a position, but still an error.

The trouble is that is still a breach of the law, however inadvertent. ( When by the way are errors NOT inadvertent?).Had it not been for Starmer's almighty grandstanding about "law makers can never be law makers" the the matter would be closed.

So the issue is did he mean what he said, or not? When and how did he change his mind? Any criminal offence means that the ministerial code has been broken. Does this apply to Reeves? If not why not?

Etc x 100.

This is a minor matter, but Starmer's boasting about being a man of the law and about how he would "restore integrity" to politics makes it otherwise.

It is actually him that is the problem here. He has enjoyed putting himself on a pedestal of standards that no one could live up to. Including him. He is hoist by his own petard

He'll be gone by this time next year .

Very good post. Cant disagree with any of it.

He needed to be whiter than white after the way he and his party played the tory sleeze card so endlessly. It took him weeks to fall well below the bar he set. It was a bar way too high and like you said he is now the author of his own inevitable downfall.

 

[DH4]

The truth about why Farage wants to leave the ECHR. Don’t fall for the **** about migrants. Reform represent big business and free enterprise. Uncontrolled capitalism. There ‘s truth in Gordon Armstrong’s post above. This what the ECHR protects us from;

• Prohibition of forced labor:
  Article 4 of the ECHR prohibits slavery and forced or compulsory labor.
• Freedom of assembly and association:
  Article 11 protects the right to form and join trade unions and to strike, ensuring workers can organize collectively.
• Protection against discrimination:
  Article 14 prohibits discrimination in relation to the rights and freedoms guaranteed by the Convention. ECHR case law has also protected individuals from dismissal based on their political beliefs.
• Right to a fair trial:
  Article 6 guarantees the right to a fair trial, which can be relevant in cases of unfair dismissal or disputes with an employer.
• Protection of private life:
  Article 8 protects the right to respect for private and family life. This can be applied to workplace issues, such as excessive surveillance by an employer.
• Right to a fair hearing:
  Article 6 has also been used by businesses to ensure fair processes when dealing with regulatory bodies.
  
  Add the removal of this to their policy of fire and rehire. Those of us who need a stable job to pay the mortgage need to get people around us to wise up.

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Pity Keir Starmer hasn't read article 8 with regards to digital id.

 

[FellTop]

Does anybody believe a word she says, I don’t, if any home owner came to see a agent in that area I bet the first thing they would say before anything else would be you do realise you need a license to let your house in that area.
Or do you think they said, Oh! It’s you Rachel don’t worry we will pay the huge fine for it if we get caught, is that ok with you?

I do wonder if after Raynors wriggling and whining there might not have been bit of a call to sort your **** out message to other MPs. One front bench MP ballsing up on private houses is one thing, two in a short period is not a great look for a Labour party.

 

[Ronsafc]

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Pity Keir Starmer hasn't read article 8 with regards to digital id.

And the Home paragraph

 

[rooch 3]

I do wonder if after Raynors wriggling and whining there might not have been bit of a call to sort your **** out message to other MPs. One front bench MP ballsing up on private houses is one thing, two in a short period is not a great look for a Labour party.

I don’t believe a single word she says, the sooner she’s booted out the better, sooner or later they will learn, just need the press to keep hunting them down one by one.
They will learn one day.

 

[FellTop]

I’ve said it a few times on here. People don’t have the balls to own it. We had a Ukrainian try to kill Starmer, a white Northumbrian threaten to kill Starmer and a horrible event involving a brown person and it’s ’there you go’. There have been a couple say ‘we want to retain our culture’ meaning colour and Christianity for the 4% who go but we know what’s meant and ironically the veil has started to drop politically.

I might have the wrong end of the stick here. But I will openly say I want to keep out culture, or in reality get what I think it once was. And I dont think it has anything to do with racism personally.

I want a country where folk help each other out. Where if your neighbour needs a favour you do it without being asked. Where kids play safely outdoors because parents can be bothered to keep an eye out. Where family meals were important. Where the pub was the heartbeat of a community.

I want a country the world admires. Admires because we stand up for what is right. Because we are there when those that cant defend themselves need help. Because we are great at building things and everyone works hard and takes pride in a days work.

I want a culture where everyone plays their part. I want mutual respect from everyone to everyone.

In other words I want to go back in time. It is hard to take pride in much anymore. I have tried bloody hard, as a volunteer, to make a difference in my little community. Very few ever thanked those like me, but would whinge if something wasnt perfect. A lot of people now are selfish, in my opinion, and more than a bit lazy. If individuals took just a bit more personal accountability, and tried a bit harder to be good neighbours, the country would take a big leap forward.

 

[Smug in Boots]

I might have the wrong end of the stick here. But I will openly say I want to keep out culture, or in reality get what I think it once was. And I dont think it has anything to do with racism personally.

I want a country where folk help each other out. Where if your neighbour needs a favour you do it without being asked. Where kids play safely outdoors because parents can be bothered to keep an eye out. Where family meals were important. Where the pub was the heartbeat of a community.

I want a country the world admires. Admires because we stand up for what is right. Because we are there when those that cant defend themselves need help. Because we are great at building things and everyone works hard and takes pride in a days work.

I want a culture where everyone plays their part. I want mutual respect from everyone to everyone.

In other words I want to go back in time. It is hard to take pride in much anymore. I have tried bloody hard, as a volunteer, to make a difference in my little community. Very few ever thanked those like me, but would whinge if something wasnt perfect. A lot of people now are selfish, in my opinion, and more than a bit lazy. If individuals took just a bit more personal accountability, and tried a bit harder to be good neighbours, the country would take a big leap forward.

I couldnt agree more mate, we've lost much more than we’ve gained.

In my opinion it all finally crumbled with Thatcher who taught people to be grasping and that attacking your own people ‘the enemy’, was acceptable.

She may have been right about the pits and our industry but it was the way she set parts of the country, and levels of ‘class’, against each other that has lead us to where we are.

There's very little compassion left and it’s ’every man for himself’ these days …

… I still try to be charitable, kind and a good Christian but it’s hard now.

I’m glad I lived in a pit village where the degrees of ‘having nowt’ were so close you could be rich if your horse came in. People, nowadays, are quite arrogant and spiteful with very little justification.

 

[Daz]

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Pity Keir Starmer hasn't read article 8 with regards to digital id.

Whatever people think about the introduction of a Digital ID, the fact that we currently abide by ECHR means it will need to confirm to Article 8 and follow strict safeguards etc.

Reform wants to scrap it, which could lead to a whole new level of uncontrolled surveillance. Not to mention it would be easier to give all of our personal information to his American mates. Sure the "plan" would be to replace it with our own version...and we all saw how well that went with Brexit.

Anyway political rant over for today.

 

[FellTop]

I couldnt agree more mate, we've lost much more than we’ve gained.

In my opinion it all finally crumbled with Thatcher who taught people to be grasping and that attacking your own people ‘the enemy’, was acceptable.

She may have been right about the pits and our industry but it was the way she set parts of the country, and levels of ‘class’, against each other that has lead us to where we are.

There's very little compassion left and it’s ’every man for himself’ these days …

… I still try to be charitable, kind and a good Christian but it’s hard now.

I’m glad I lived in a pit village where the degrees of ‘having nowt’ were so close you could be rich if your horse came in. People, nowadays, are quite arrogant and spiteful with very little justification.

100%. Thatcher was probably right about some stuff, but she had a meanness of approach.

Will we ever ger back what was once so bloody good? I cant see it personally. Too many people want it easy and things handed to them. I wouldnt swap my upbringing, and the values I was given, for anything the modern world has to offer. All I can really do now is keep helping folk who I think deserve and need it, and set an example that I hope land well with some.

 

[Smug in Boots]

100%. Thatcher was probably right about some stuff, but she had a meanness of approach.

Will we ever ger back what was once so bloody good? I cant see it personally. Too many people want it easy and things handed to them. I wouldnt swap my upbringing, and the values I was given, for anything the modern world has to offer. All I can really do now is keep helping folk who I think deserve and need it, and set an example that I hope land well with some.

Sadly it’s all gone mate and will never return.

You only have to look at these forums to see how spiteful and aggressive people have become …

… yet they can’t handle it if flak is returned.

If you read the wartime books of Spike Milligan you can see how people of all cultures, classes and walks of life just got on with things. Geordies, Jocks, Cockneys, dockers, toffs, miners and everyone in between just cracked on and got through it.

Nostalgia just ain’t what it used to be

 

[DH4]

Whatever people think about the introduction of a Digital ID, the fact that we currently abide by ECHR means it will need to confirm to Article 8 and follow strict safeguards etc.

Reform wants to scrap it, which could lead to a whole new level of uncontrolled surveillance. Not to mention it would be easier to give all of our personal information to his American mates. Sure the "plan" would be to replace it with our own version...and we all saw how well that went with Brexit.

Anyway political rant over for today.

I am a socialist and was a Labour voter at the last election, always voted Labour. Keir Starmer is going the right way to hand the golden key to all our personal info over to Farage at the next election. Bad enough any government having the potential overreach digital id allows, but just imagine Farage having it. Thanks Keir