Mags embarrassing themselves yet again

[Reggie the Cheddar]

Official club account. Says everything

 

[Smug in Boots]

All interesting stuff about ‘shan’.

Hundreds of us were taken from the NE and dumped in the East Midlands coalfields. The ‘Geordie estates’ had people from all over, everywhere from Ashington to Boro so there were dozens of accents, words and dialects …

… the locals thought we only had one accent but some of us could barely understand each other

 

[Smug in Boots]

Official club account. Says everything

Surely not

 

[DH4]

All interesting stuff about ‘shan’.

Hundreds of us were taken from the NE and dumped in the East Midlands coalfields. The ‘Geordie estates’ had people from all over, everywhere from Ashington to Boro so there were dozens of accents, words and dialects …

… the locals thought we only had one accent but some of us could barely understand each other

I think it is Downhill in Sunderland where they speak with a broad Sunderland accent, yet if you walk a few hundred yards into Boldon they have a definite Tyneside accent.

 

[Smug in Boots]

I think it is Downhill in Sunderland where they speak with a broad Sunderland accent, yet if you walk a few hundred yards into Boldon they have a definite Tyneside accent.

I noticed the Mag clown from South Shields absolutely lathered the North Tyne accent on when he first called in …

… then it changed when he lost his temper.

They’ve started talking like foreigners who buy one of those daft ‘Larn yersel Geordie’ books, no one actually speaks like that in real life.

 

[Monkey69]

Not used in Durham pit villages in my experience, but I have worked with people from both Newcastle and Sunderland who used the word, but to be honest I was never really sure what it meant when they said it.

It was used as slang for a while about 30 odd years ago and normall it was used to describe something a bit sly or a bit snide

 

[Monkey69]

I think it is Downhill in Sunderland where they speak with a broad Sunderland accent, yet if you walk a few hundred yards into Boldon they have a definite Tyneside accent.

Am from Boldon mate and it is a weird thing. Downhill/Redhouse have a strong Sunderland twang to their accent but Boldon is far more towards the Geordie accent maybe a bit softer with a little bit of pit yacker thrown in for good measure

 

[Monkey69]

I worked with a guy years ago who was from South Shields and he had the worst Geordie accent ever. Every word syllable and phrase was forced and even the lads from Newcastle were taking the piss out of him. He claimed everybody from Shields talked like that until I pointed out that years before I had worked with him at a factory on Bede industrial estate and he did not have that accent at that time(he could not remember me but I remembered him) turns out his accent became stronger when John Hall and Keegan turned up at Newcastle

 

[Smug in Boots]

It was used as slang for a while about 30 odd years ago and normall it was used to describe something a bit sly or a bit snide

My Dad was a Geordie from the Chopwell area …

… he’d describe anyone like that as ‘a bit Spanish’

No idea where that came from, there weren’t any Spaniards around there, even the fella on a bike selling onions was French!

 

[Wayne the Punk]

I worked with a guy years ago who was from South Shields and he had the worst Geordie accent ever. Every word syllable and phrase was forced and even the lads from Newcastle were taking the piss out of him. He claimed everybody from Shields talked like that until I pointed out that years before I had worked with him at a factory on Bede industrial estate and he did not have that accent at that time(he could not remember me but I remembered him) turns out his accent became stronger when John Hall and Keegan turned up at Newcastle

All trying their hardest to sound like Sid

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[C Montgomery Burns]

They seem desperate to show themselves as better than Sunderland but just show themselves up.

I doubt 'shan' is used on Tyneside and most have never used the word or even heard of it ... I know it but have never used it.

I'd guess it's of 'Gypsy' origin so will have come from around the Darlington and Weardale area where there's always been lots of horses.

It's then been picked up around Durham and the villages.

Where did you use it?

I don't think shan is widely used anymore, at least by most under 60 these days. It used to be used a lot when I was a kid, "it's canny shan that, like" was sort of common enough said if something was poor or unfair. No idea where it came from, I'd assumed it was Irish from the navies working on the railways, but it's not something I've said for over 30 years. Id almost forgotten about it as a word until reading this thread. My guess is it's a word/term that's dropped out of use outside a small bunch of people and if someone is trying to use it it's to make themselves appear more "Geordie/mackem/whatever" than they actually are. A bit of verbal cosplay.

 

[Smug in Boots]

I don't think shan is widely used anymore, at least by most under 60 these days. It used to be used a lot when I was a kid, "it's canny shan that, like" was sort of common enough said if something was poor or unfair. No idea where it came from, I'd assumed it was Irish from the navies working on the railways, but it's not something I've said for over 30 years. Id almost forgotten about it as a word until reading this thread. My guess is it's a word/term that's dropped out of use outside a small bunch of people and if someone is trying to use it it's to make themselves appear more "Geordie/mackem/whatever" than they actually are. A bit of verbal cosplay.

I'm guessing here but I'd put money on it.

As you know words and accents are often used to mock the way people talk, hence 'Mackems, Scousers, Jocks', etc.

I reckon someone, at NUFC, has asked a local player, Dan Burn, for a suitable word to mock Sunderland.

As he was born in Blyth I doubt he'd have used it but he played for Darlington as a young teenager.

I reckon, being broad Geordie, he's picked it up off the Darlington lads and thought it was specifically a Durham/Sunderland word.

 

[C Montgomery Burns]

I'm guessing here but I'd put money on it.

As you know words and accents are often used to mock the way people talk, hence 'Mackems, Scousers, Jocks', etc.

I reckon someone, at NUFC, has asked a local player, Dan Burn, for a suitable word to mock Sunderland.

As he was born in Blyth I doubt he'd have used it but he played for Darlington as a young teenager.

I reckon, being broad Geordie, he's picked it up off the Darlington lads and thought it was specifically a Durham/Sunderland word.

Sounds dead plausible. But typical of them to get it wrong, like "boycoutt" on a bedsheet. No one will understand it. And all because they're jealous of a bridge.

 

[The Legendary Tongue]

I don't think shan is widely used anymore, at least by most under 60 these days. It used to be used a lot when I was a kid, "it's canny shan that, like" was sort of common enough said if something was poor or unfair. No idea where it came from, I'd assumed it was Irish from the navies working on the railways, but it's not something I've said for over 30 years. Id almost forgotten about it as a word until reading this thread. My guess is it's a word/term that's dropped out of use outside a small bunch of people and if someone is trying to use it it's to make themselves appear more "Geordie/mackem/whatever" than they actually are. A bit of verbal cosplay.

Seaham lad here , but live in Grangetown now with my lass that was from Hendon. I still hear it every now and again, Hendon, Grangetown, Ryhope and Silksworth the main users. We used it years ago but like previously stated it's as rare as a honest Mag these days.

 

[Blond Bombshell]

Born Seaburn Dene 63, it was a passing fad word used while at school, possibly infants only.

I hope our PR guys don't bite back and leave this embarrassment for all to see.

 

[123Daveyboy]

Seaham lad here , but live in Grangetown now with my lass that was from Hendon. I still hear it every now and again, Hendon, Grangetown, Ryhope and Silksworth the main users. We used it years ago but like previously stated it's as rare as a honest Mag these days.

In what context is it used?

 

[The Legendary Tongue]

In what context is it used?

If someone is being shan, sly, underhand, that type of thing.

 

[Smug in Boots]

I asked my boss, Glaswegian, if he used or knew the word. Says the only context he'd heard it in was as a child, 50 years back but not since.

His mam used to get him to go to the corner shop and bakery at closing time.

He'd take a bag and the baker would fill it with the broken biscuits he couldn't sell ... 'shan' it was called.

That would tie in with something being shoddy or second rate.

 

[Blond Bombshell]

I believe we used it for something that is poor

 

[Blond Bombshell]

'Skudding' was another school word which I grew up with meaning got a good kicking... went to college at Stansfield Street and my Washington classmates laughed as to them it meant leg-over