Off Topic Charlie Kirk

[flandersmackem]

I've been watching the coverage of Kirks shooting...its wall to wall news on pretty much every channel. Such a shame the SAME news outlets give as much time to seemingly weekly mass shootings at Schools and Malls etc where young children are gunned down....if they did, maybe, something might get done about their idiotic gun laws in the States....But that ship has sailed

 

[Neil]

Tend to avoid consuming content in American politics so I haven't heard of the chap.

Regardless this is utterly terrible news for 21st century democracy.

The left needs to take a good hard look at itself, the only way it wins is by being human.

Who even knows the political bias of the shooter, but even if he/she does turn out to be on the left it doesn't mean that you can blame everyone with those beliefs.

Trump is already trying to blame this all on "the left", in order to justify some crackdown on anyone who disagrees with him.

 

[flandersmackem]

The far left has assassinated someone because they didn’t like what he said. Let that sink in…..

The worlds in a very dangerous place they have tried to take out Americas president and now Charlie because they cant beat them in debate.

Im no fan of Charlie but I respect how he openly lets people debate him, that should have been the way to defeat him if they didn’t agree with him, now he is dead and a wife and two kids have been left without a husband or a father.

I actually believe that was staged. If it was real, Trump would never stop talking about it. amazing how little we actually know about the alleged gunman in that shooting. According to experts, Bodyguards would NEVER have allowed Trump to stand up raising his fists and shout fight fight fight after shots were fired... It was a photo opportunity

 

[Hannah1989]

didnt like at all,
for example
he views on Women - that we shouldnt have the right to vote, work or have the right for medical healthcare if a pregnacy was in jeopody, that if his daughter was SA, she would keep the baby, even if it was a risk to her health,

and the rest that with that

but he was still someones son, brother, friend, husband, father, no one should be slane like that,

the message is simple

stop killing people you tw*ts. all around the world, just stop it.

 

[Northumberland Rocks]

Tend to avoid consuming content in American politics so I haven't heard of the chap.

Regardless this is utterly terrible news for 21st century democracy.

The left needs to take a good hard look at itself, the only way it wins is by being human.

If people want to promote the gun then they have to face the fact people will carry them and may use them sadly.

People like Kirk are part of the polarisation promoting hatred and division and we need a fairer and more tolerant society.

 

[Saf]

The videos doing the rounds on Twitter are vile, couldn’t avoid them last night, every chance his family seen them. I thought that sort of stuff was no longer allowed on there? Don’t agree with his views but only ever seen him in calm debates with people I hate what this world has become

He was killed in front of his wife and kids mate. Shocking.

 

[Hudson92]

He was killed in front of his wife and kids mate. Shocking.

Didn’t realise they were there, absolutely horrific

 

[The Norton Cat]

No it isn't, but it doesn't suddenly require the condemnation of the supposed left.

"The left" didn't shoot Charlie Kirk. A person, who may or may not have left wing leanings shot him.

You can never legislate for crazy people doing something like this. People who foment hatred and division do have to take some responsibility when it drives (possibly impressionable) people to commit heinous acts. That is the state of political debate both in the US and here. Commentators/influencers/personalities on both sides do it, calling people who have different views to their own stupid (or whatever else) and belittling people's concerns, deliberately avoiding nuance in other people's arguments, and generally making political discussion confrontational. The 'left' are just as responsible as the 'right' for the reprehensible state that political discussion is in.

 

[Smug in Boots]

My problem with ‘Charlie Kirk’s’ is that they make supporters more febrile …

… and have exactly the same effect on their detractors.

They don’t solve problems, don’t make the world a better place and don’t ever intend to in my opinion.

 

[Frazier the Lion]

The far left has assassinated someone because they didn’t like what he said. Let that sink in…..

The worlds in a very dangerous place they have tried to take out Americas president and now Charlie because they cant beat them in debate.

Im no fan of Charlie but I respect how he openly lets people debate him, that should have been the way to defeat him if they didn’t agree with him, now he is dead and a wife and two kids have been left without a husband or a father.

Have they? Is this like the far left plot to assassinate trump that actually turned out to be one of his own supporters? As for killed because they couldn’t beat him in debate, he was regularly dog walked by even half-aware people. He wasn’t debating, he was talking directly to his supporters. It was about creating easily digestible, curated clips for social media.

That country is a tinder box in all respects. Would it honestly surprise anyone if this murder was carried out by a right wing accelerationist once all is said and done?

 

[Brainy Dose]

Don't understand estimate the US. It is badly governed, as are we.

But it still has a dynamic economy, enormous natural resources, a significant lead in front edge chip tech, which is iron clad protected and will shape the next thirty years or so, a relatively educated workforce and holds the world's reserve currency.

China has made huge leaps, but well over half of its people still live in poverty. That's real poverty too, subsistence living in many cases. It also has a massive problem with fresh water, and an incurable demographic decline. Growth is slowing in China and a vast property bubble will burst one day. The overwhelming Communist suppression of any kind of dissent and disregard for individual choice hardly helps

Shangri La it is not!

I wouldn't dispute what you say. However,I do sense there is an axis of countries......not just China.....I've described them as Silk Road, determined to impose themselves on the hitherto world order,and I would also include the EU as having that ambition. Digital currency will lead to the fall of the dollar as the world's reserve. Many of the American financial institutions are actively engaging themselves in increased activity outside of the US,which,as a supposed sophisticated nation,is not currently doing itself any favours.It's not beyond possibility that the US can find itself following,rather than leading, world economic activity within a generation.

 

[Brainy Dose]

You can never legislate for crazy people doing something like this. People who foment hatred and division do have to take some responsibility when it drives (possibly impressionable) people to commit heinous acts. That is the state of political debate both in the US and here. Commentators/influencers/personalities on both sides do it, calling people who have different views to their own stupid (or whatever else) and belittling people's concerns, deliberately avoiding nuance in other people's arguments, and generally making political discussion confrontational. The 'left' are just as responsible as the 'right' for the reprehensible state that political discussion is in.

100%. What's interesting though is,that,if we assume this killing was carried out by a left wing sympathiser,not proven,I know,the number of people from the left of politics who are condemning this as an act of a "lone wolf", but who are always very eager to portray a"lone wolf act" by a right wing sympathiser as being symptomatic of the entire right wing movement. Lots of people,on here and elsewhere, need to look at themselves.

 

[Smug in Boots]

100%. What's interesting though is,that,if we assume this killing was carried out by a left wing sympathiser,not proven,I know,the number of people from the left of politics who are condemning this as an act of a "lone wolf", but who are always very eager to portray a"lone wolf act" by a right wing sympathiser as being symptomatic of the entire right wing movement. Lots of people,on here and elsewhere, need to look at themselves.

Anyone who shoots an unarmed stranger, in front of his wife and children, automatically loses the right to be called left/right/centre or anything else. For someone to kill, in this way, means that person’s psychology has overridden their beliefs, whatever they may be.

It’s irrelevant who the man who ploughed into the Liverpool supporters supported, what he believed in or which cause he believed he was supporting …

… sadly there are people who become lost in their own personal ideology and go further than the majority would ever want them to.

 

[Brainy Dose]

Anyone who shoots an unarmed stranger, in front of his wife and children, automatically loses the right to be called left/right/centre or anything else. For someone to kill, in this way, means that person’s psychology has overridden their beliefs, whatever they may be.

It’s irrelevant who the man who ploughed into the Liverpool supporters supported, what he believed in or which cause he believed he was supporting …

… sadly there are people who become lost in their own personal ideology and go further than the majority would ever want them to.

Totally agree with you mate.

 

[Magnus]

never mind his views (wrong or right) he was one of the only people who were open to debate with the opposite side. it was his biggest belief that's what both sides needed , because he believed if both sides stopped communicating and debating freely, it would only end one way and that would be a civil war, hopefully it was just a mad man who done it, because if not it could massively spiral out of control

 

[rowley]

I wouldn't dispute what you say. However,I do sense there is an axis of countries......not just China.....I've described them as Silk Road, determined to impose themselves on the hitherto world order,and I would also include the EU as having that ambition. Digital currency will lead to the fall of the dollar as the world's reserve. Many of the American financial institutions are actively engaging themselves in increased activity outside of the US,which,as a supposed sophisticated nation,is not currently doing itself any favours.It's not beyond possibility that the US can find itself following,rather than leading, world economic activity within a generation.

No it is possible. But China is no collegiate in any sense. It makes, sometimes feigns alliances entirely for it's own purposes.

But I doubt most on here will see any marked change. As for the EU, it might have such ambitions, but it has enough on its hands holding the EURO together!

 

[WorkyTicketFTM]

Quite appalling reading a LOT of comments on social media advocating this assassination and excusing it. Whether you agree with his views or not, which I’d imagine a lot of us don’t on certain things and a lot of us do on certain things this just should not be celebrated and I’m sorry to those in this forum who see themselves as “left” but it’s the left who are celebrating in plain sight for everyone to see so that’s why people are assuming it’s politically motivated.

Someone who invites debate whether they’re left or right should not be targeted like this. It’s an opinion for **** sake. The world has gone mad

 

[Smug in Boots]

never mind his views (wrong or right) he was one of the only people who were open to debate with the opposite side. it was his biggest belief that's what both sides needed , because he believed if both sides stopped communicating and debating freely, it would only end one way and that would be a civil war, hopefully it was just a mad man who done it, because if not it could massively spiral out of control

You may be right although, sadly, I disagree.

I don't believe he was on an earnest crusade to win the hearts and minds of those he argues/debates with.

I think he wanted to prove them wrong.

Nothing wrong with that but I don't believe he was on a mission to unite people but to divide them.

He's entitled to do that but I saw him as an extremist and I'm sick of them from whichever cause they're promoting.

 

[Magnus]

You may be right although, sadly, I disagree.

I don't believe he was on an earnest crusade to win the hearts and minds of those he argues/debates with.

I think he wanted to prove them wrong.

Nothing wrong with that but I don't believe he was on a mission to unite people but to divide them.

He's entitled to do that but I saw him as an extremist and I'm sick of them from whichever cause they're promoting.

agree with this, and that's the biggest problem in the world at the moment with politics.
if you disagree with the far left , your instantly classed as a nazi and a racist, if you disagree with the far right your instantly classed as woke,
no middle ground now,
and it's the people in the middle who are going to suffer the most. common sense is sadly the biggest loser,

 

[RLB's Beautiful Face]

Horrible way to go but the world's a better place without him in it so can't get too bothered about it tbh