Election 2024

[Saf]

I will never get promising to not increase taxes, for me surely that was the most sensible thing to do. They sat on the sidelines for 14 years, they knew how bad things were when coming into office, they had plenty of time to work out what was required to fix the economy, if he even was fixable.

I'd say it wasn't, so why we trying to on a wing and a pray.

I still believe they knew about the blackhole, I'm sure they created a second one that was nothing like the figure they told the nation, the OBR even insisted as such. But let's get to the point here, a lot of these problem will not only stem from 14 years of Tory rule, but mainly because of covid with the blackholes.

Why are we trying to fix these holes, put them on the back burner, what is debt, it is what you want it to be and what I'm seeing is it's a way of control and holding the country to ransom. If the banks and lenders don't want to help out, then hit with the wealth tax, and hit hard, instead of constantly screwing over hospitality.

I think the minimum wage rises and Employer NI were bad moves and have destroyed the industry to tipping point. Some in recent months have gone over the edge, costing thousands of job.

I don't blame Labour for the financial hole we are in, but stop using the sticky plasters ffs - interesting actually I noticed Morrisons were finally back in profit, by several billion, about time we started looking a bit closer at these profits...

and what they are doing to bring lower prices to consumers, because from where I'm looking they are creaming the tops of everyone with price fixing.

Yeah they should be targeting the big companies. What they’ve actually done, especially with the employer NI rise, is hit the little person who has a small business and very little margin to manoeuvre. The big companies who are making billions aren’t affected by this in the slightest and will make that money back from the consumer who now has to shop with them because their local business who they supported have now gone bust.

This is supposed to be the party who supports the working class man and woman. What a load of ****e.

These rich ****ers in Cornwall with big turnovers must be rubbing their hands with glee at the demise of the competition all around them.

 

[brb]

Yeah they should be targeting the big companies. What they’ve actually done, especially with the employer NI rise, is hit the little person who has a small business and very little margin to manoeuvre. The big companies who are making billions aren’t affected by this in the slightest and will make that money back from the consumer who now has to shop with them because their local business who they supported have now gone bust.

This is supposed to be the party who supports the working class man and woman. What a load of ****e.

These rich ****ers in Cornwall with big turnovers must be rubbing their hands with glee at the demise of the competition all around them.

It's shocking mate, they are even peddling around on two bikes now, Norman Tebbit must be laughing in his grave.

 

[brb]

anyway more seriously, I dread to think what the Chancellor is going to come out with in her next budget. I did see something where she could make billions on wealth tax, can't be asked to search for it, but I'm sure it was enough to fill the blackhole easily. Trouble is they've moved too centre and the Tories are watching. They've already lost the farmers and the pensioners, only leaves the rich to piss off.

 

[Archers Road]

anyway more seriously, I dread to think what the Chancellor is going to come out with in her next budget. I did see something where she could make billions on wealth tax, can't be asked to search for it, but I'm sure it was enough to fill the blackhole easily. Trouble is they've moved too centre and the Tories are watching. They've already lost the farmers and the pensioners, only leaves the rich to piss off.

The farmers are the rich. Double their taxes, and add some extra just for Clarkson.

 

[brb]

The farmers are the rich. Double their taxes, and add some extra just for Clarkson.

Do what you like to the farmers, fine by me.

Why not, we don't need farmers to grow crops and fruit when we can rely on the EU, why the **** would an Island want to be self sufficient, so yeah go for it. Of course once they strike and block roads, I'm sure all their British union comrades will come out on strike with them.

Anyway, I thought we were supposed to be going after the corporates, bankers, financers when the Tories were in power, strange I don't see anyone shouting that one anymore....why's that, because they will leave the country...oh no hang-on, I was told they wouldn't, so **** it stealth tax the arses off the bastards.

 

[Archers Road]

Do what you like to the farmers, fine by me.

Why not, we don't need farmers to grow crops and fruit when we can rely on the EU, why the **** would an Island want to be self sufficient, so yeah go for it. Of course once they strike and block roads, I'm sure all their British union comrades will come out on strike with them.

Anyway, I thought we were supposed to be going after the corporates, bankers, financers when the Tories were in power, strange I don't see anyone shouting that one anymore....why's that, because they will leave the country...oh no hang-on, I was told they wouldn't, so **** it stealth tax the arses off the bastards.

Ever seen a poor farmer? No, nor have I. They’re the landed gentry, mostly.

 

[brb]

Ever seen a poor farmer? No, nor have I. They’re the landed gentry, mostly.

I was mates with a farmers son in my younger years, he never ever seemed well off to me, and was always hard working, looked like he'd grafted most the time as well.

Use to drive around in a battered one of these (see pic below), he didn't appreciate my views on the pile of ****, because he thought he was cool in it. Big lad though, so wouldn't really of wanted to piss him off.

I still don't get all this hatred for genuine hardworking farmers and never will, that don't include celebrities that like to wear the badge, I'm chatting proper farmers...half the ****s in this country wouldnt't know how to grow their own crops if we ever went to a trenches war again.

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[brb]

I should add that I also think it's wrong people buying up land for gain, rather than working off it - as I said in an earlier post, this country should be self sufficient and not relying on others when it's stuff we can grow our own. We should be encouraging proper farming. All this just in time bollocks will hurt us big time in the future if anything goes wrong, and with the amount of wars in the world we should be seriously rethinking our ways (no lessons learned from covid), before we lose the skills to do so.

 

[Saf]

The farmers are the rich. Double their taxes, and add some extra just for Clarkson.

When the Tories went after people on benefits you called them sick and evil. Now Labour are doing it, you said the other week it was a necessity.

Same policies, completely different reaction.

You don’t fool me with your socialist persona buddy.

 

[Sucky]

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[Sucky]

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Shoot the boats

 

[Big Ern]

I was mates with a farmers son in my younger years, he never ever seemed well off to me, and was always hard working, looked like he'd grafted most the time as well.

Use to drive around in a battered one of these (see pic below), he didn't appreciate my views on the pile of ****, because he thought he was cool in it. Big lad though, so wouldn't really of wanted to piss him off.

I still don't get all this hatred for genuine hardworking farmers and never will, that don't include celebrities that like to wear the badge, I'm chatting proper farmers...half the ****s in this country wouldnt't know how to grow their own crops if we ever went to a trenches war again.

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It's more the rich who have become farmers to escape inheritance tax, Clarkson even said it was why he bought his farm, and under the new rules they don't get taxed on the first £4m, and have 10 years to pay.
oh, the poor farmers......

 

[FosseFilberto]

It's more the rich who have become farmers to escape inheritance tax, Clarkson even said it was why he bought his farm, and under the new rules they don't get taxed on the first £4m, and have 10 years to pay.
oh, the poor farmers......

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They could have made more of a distinction - a sliding scale for those farms that have been in the same extended family for generations and those that have clearly been purchased as a tax initiative more recently ...

... but also ... based on current property prices, my kids will face an inheritance tax bill if me and the other half were to die (as we are not married) ... if we got married that would double our 'threshold' which could then be as much as £1 million ... but again, by the time we both die, the likely interim rise in property values might still leave our kids facing an inheritance tax bill ...

... so why should my kids be disadvantaged compared to farmers kids?




















... apart from the fact that Leicester City winning the Premier League in 2015/16, before Liverpool managed it (despite the billions they threw at it), still rankles with some?

 

[Saf]

Never checked the opinion polls for a while.

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Status quo is changing.

 

[FosseFilberto]

Never checked the opinion polls for a while.

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Status quo is changing.

... Government ain't ... not for another 4 years...

 

[brb]

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They could have made more of a distinction - a sliding scale for those farms that have been in the same extended family for generations and those that have clearly been purchased as a tax initiative more recently ...

So is the problem because they haven't made that clear distinction?

Do we / the goverment have any idea of who are genuine farmers and those that are land grabbers?

I'll be honest I don't like what I see as an attack on British farmers, because the trouble with that every farmer gets dragged into it. We should be a self sufficient island, and supporting our farmers, but obviously I'm not including the rich in that or celebrities or just pure land grabbers.

It's how we make that distinction and make it fairly. I get why the land shouldn't become pure inheritance, maybe something that the inheritance only kicks in if the future bearer of the land attempts to sell it or make gain from it. So if you turn farmland into housing, then you have to pay up.

I don't know, something like that anyway.

 

[Saf]

... Government ain't ... not for another 4 years...

Eh?

 

[Saf]

So is the problem because they haven't made that clear distinction?

Do we / the goverment have any idea of who are genuine farmers and those that are land grabbers?

I'll be honest I don't like what I see as an attack on British farmers, because the trouble with that every farmer gets dragged into it. We should be a self sufficient island, and supporting our farmers, but obviously I'm not including the rich in that or celebrities or just pure land grabbers.

It's how we make that distinction and make it fairly. But I get why the land shouldn't become pure inheritance, maybe something that the inheritance only kicks in if the future bearer of the land attempts to sell it or make gain from it. So if you turn farmland into housing, then you have to pay up.

I don't know, something like that anyway.

We’d be ****ed where I live without the farmers. Most people here get so much of our food from the fields around us.

It’s all good quality and healthy. Without these guys we’d all be off to the nearest supermarket buying all the ****e that’s pumped with **** knows what.

 

[FosseFilberto]

So is the problem because they haven't made that clear distinction?

Do we / the goverment have any idea of who are genuine farmers and those that are land grabbers?

I'll be honest I don't like what I see as an attack on British farmers, because the trouble with that every farmer gets dragged into it. We should be a self sufficient island, and supporting our farmers, but obviously I'm not including the rich in that or celebrities or just pure land grabbers.

It's how we make that distinction and make it fairly. But I get why the land shouldn't become pure inheritance, maybe something that the inheritance only kicks in if the future bearer of the land attempts to sell it or make gain from it. So if you turn farmland into housing, then you have to pay up.

I don't know, something like that anyway.

Why I said sliding scale ... if say £1m was added to the tax free threshhold element for every 10 years that it had been a working farm, then a farm that been in a family for 40 years would see a further £4million escape the IHT net ... many working farms would be IHT free as a result - but you'd still catch many of the rich tax dodgers ...

Vote Fosse for Chancellor of the Exchequer - you know it makes sense!

 

[brb]

We’d be ****ed where I live without the farmers. Most people here get so much of our food from the fields around us.

It’s all good quality and healthy. Without these guys we’d all be off to the nearest supermarket buying all the ****e that’s pumped with **** knows what.

Exactly mate. I get some farmers can be greedy and there's a lot of people that don't like them, but I wonder here how many people would get up at the crack of dawn to do what they do, or put in the hard graft and long hours.

Although I know a lot of it is automated in one way of another these days, it's not quite as hands on as say before my time but it's still a vital service to this country.

One day, long after I'm gone, well unless we break out in war, people are going to get a wake up call when the supermarket shelves are empty, they will find out how the people in Gaza or Sudan feel, when food isn't readily available, don't cut off the hand that feeds you, it can have serious repercussions for the whole population.