Off Topic Lord Mayor

[bradymk2]

How long do we think this thread will last?

I'm going for an hour.

If there's money on it, I'll definitely win, I can cheat.

sounds like youd fit in with farage

 

[Chazz Rheinhold]

How long do we think this thread will last?

I'm going for an hour.

If there's money on it, I'll definitely win, I can cheat.

General election thread did ok
Soon as someone brings up Stalin or mao Chuck em off…

 

[Ron Burguvdy]

My outside bet is the Conservative woman, voted in by the mass ranks of East Riding Blue Rinse Mafia....

 

[PLT]

My outside bet is the Conservative woman, voted in by the mass ranks of East Riding Blue Rinse Mafia....

Never said this about a Tory but I wouldn't mind that result. An actual serious candidate with a stake in the area and interest in the role. Probably wouldn't agree with everything she did, but if she saves us from the protest candidate then I'll take it.

 

[Ernie Shackleton]

It doesn't matter who wins, the only result is you'll get a Mayor.

Who will be self-serving, weasel-like and will squander whatever little bit of money they are allocated on populist bollocks which aims towards their own survival.

It's a sop from Central Government to say that something is being done for the regions. There'll be no new roads, no new trains, no significant infrastructure whatsoever.

And in a few years time you'll say that the Mayor was crap and vote in a new one.

 

[TheCompositor]

They did. But they were quite clear about what that actually meant, and it was actual real policies.

 

[Howdentiger2]

Too late not to venture into it. It can be moved or deleted but you can't expect one side to be allowed their say and the other not to respond.

In a way I agree about parties. I think the concept of parties is harmful to politics and makes things a bit of a circus a lot of the time. This mayoral election and the campaigning around it is an example of that. I'm voting for Mike Ross cos tactically it's probably the best chance of avoiding the worst possible candidate, but the leaflet his team put through my door the other day was a stream of absolute nonsense, deliberate misinformation even. But with the system we have and the candidates available, he's who I feel I need to vote for.

I don't think it's true Labour did go back on loads of promises though. I think that's just an easy line to chuck out at any party, and with a lot of the media hammering it day after day it spreads easily even if most people repeating it can't even explain what they mean.

The "all politicians are bad line" is always used to tar good politicians with the same brush as bad ones. We've had some absolutely rotten ones in recent years and they clearly all aren't all the same as that.

Tbf everything I've had through the door is nonsense and from what I remember it was more why I shouldn't vote for the others as opposed to why I should vote for them.

And labour have gone back on so many things. What they seem to have found out is it's easy to say things when in opposition when you don't have to actually follow through, but now they've found themselves in power and actually have to do something about it they change their mind or back track.

I've never been anything close to a labour fan but I was genuinely looking forward to a change under them after the Tories long run. But they've been a real disappointment ( so far )

 

[Gone For A Walk]

We don’t have a Mayor today so there’s nothing to change

Yes, that's true that we don't have a Mayor so nothing to change in that sense, but I guess you probably knew full well what I meant!
And I don't agree one bit with the Mayoral approach across the country, but it would be foolish not to have one here just because without one we miss out (barmy).
It's a great opportunity to send a(nother) strong message that many people want change from the failing 2 party options with their inaction, lies, lunacy, etc.
Personally I think Luke Campbell, although a well known face and maybe a good guy, isn't a great candidate for Mayor. But for me it's about Reform hopefully making massive further inroads, be it in Mayoral elections, council elections or by-elections, that lead either to one day being in government themselves, or if not then at least forcing the current government to take actions that so many now clearly want (being scared of losing office) on a range of issues where prevailing approach is just bonkers, not just the obvious one.

 

[PLT]

Yes, that's true that we don't have a Mayor so nothing to change in that sense, but I guess you probably knew full well what I meant!
It's a great opportunity to send a(nother) strong message that many people want change from the failing 2 party options with their inaction, lies, lunacy, etc.
Personally I think Luke Campbell, although a well known face and maybe a good guy, isn't a great candidate for Mayor. But for me it's about Reform hopefully making massive further inroads, be it in Mayoral elections, council elections or by-elections, that lead either to one day being in government themselves, or if not then at least forcing the current government to take actions that so many now clearly want (being scared of losing office) on a range of issues where prevailing approach is just bonkers, not just the obvious one.

Is it really a good approach to sacrifice the mayorship of our area for the national agenda of a particular party? This is precisely what I don't like about political parties.

As for Reform "one day" influencing the parties in power. I would say they already have a huge amount of influence. Brexit was all about them under their previous name. No government or opposition wanted it until they got their referendum, and since that referendum every party since has had to adopt it as their own policy whether they really agree with it or not. The constant conversation around trans people, which is an extremely fringe issue in reality, being platformed to the point that the prime minister is constantly badgered about his definition of a woman as opposed to talking about real issues - is again a huge reform concern. The constant conversation around immigration, same. I would say they have had huge influence in recent years, it's just that it doesn't go anywhere practical.

 

[bradymk2]

Anyone who voted for brexit should receive a 30 year vote ban in my opinion

As they're clearly not of sound mind or corrupt

 

[highpeak tiger]

No government or opposition wanted it until they got their referendum, and since that referendum every party since has had to adopt it as their own policy whether they really agree with it or not. The constant conversation around trans people, which is an extremely fringe issue in reality, being platformed to the point that the prime minister is constantly badgered about his definition of a woman as opposed to talking about real issues - is again a huge reform concern. The constant conversation around immigration, same. I would say they have had huge influence in recent years,

It's called democracy.

 

[Newland Tiger]

I'm expecting Luke Campbell to win , if all the people who said they're going to vote for him
actually get off their arses and go to the polling station that is

 

[PLT]

It's called democracy.

Not complaining about it. Just I don't think it's true that they have no influence, and I think it's clearly dishonest to keep pitching themselves as the underdog who no one listens to, when actually the entire political conversation seems to revolve around their interests. But it works.

 

[Gone For A Walk]

Is it really a good approach to sacrifice the mayorship of our area for the national agenda of a particular party? This is precisely what I don't like about political parties.

First paragraph is a very fair question, and one I've wrestled with a little tbh. However, it's not just a 'protest' vote so to speak. I've voted Tory all my life until recently. I can't believe a word Tory or Labour say, for good reason. Yes, Reform won't be able to stick to everything they promise either, but I'm not voting for yet more Tory or Labour lies, be that mayoral, council or govt elections. I'm willing to take the risk. So no, it's not as simple as sacrificing the mayorship of our area, I don't want a Tory or Labour liar (or at least part of their lying machine) representing this area thanks.
Second paragraph, sorry, not worth answering imo.

 

[PLT]

Why do people who are "sick of the same old" and just want change, an end to "the bullshit" etc never vote green? It's always the populist right they're drawn to instead. Why? Wouldn't green also represent change?

 

[rovertiger]

At a discussion all the candidates had, Campbell said he'd do summat and two of the candidates had to tell him it wasn't the Mayor's duty to do that. After being told he goes and repeats it again later on and had to be told again.
Campbell isn't a politician local or otherwise, so **** knows what it'll be like if he got it.

As a footnote, how does this thread have my name on it?

 

[Gone For A Walk]

Why do people who are "sick of the same old" and just want change, an end to "the bullshit" etc never vote green? It's always the populist right they're drawn to instead. Why? Wouldn't green also represent change?

Maybe because they don't agree with a lot of what they want to do?

 

[Newland Tiger]

First paragraph is a very fair question, and one I've wrestled with a little tbh. However, it's not just a 'protest' vote so to speak. I've voted Tory all my life until recently. I can't believe a word Tory or Labour say, for good reason. Yes, Reform won't be able to stick to everything they promise either, but I'm not voting for yet more Tory or Labour lies, be that mayoral, council or govt elections. I'm willing to take the risk. So no, it's not as simple as sacrificing the mayorship of our area, I don't want a Tory or Labour liar (or at least part of their lying machine) representing this area thanks.
Second paragraph, sorry, not worth answering imo.

What are Reform promising from a local mayor ?

 

[tigerrev]

Thought Labour got in by saying we need change.

No - they got in because they're not the Tories

 

[Chazz Rheinhold]

My outside bet is the Conservative woman, voted in by the mass ranks of East Riding Blue Rinse Mafia....

Blue rinse mafia are all voting for Luke