Well I've literally heard a judge give the options listed in my next post during his directions to the jury at a murder trial.
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Well I've literally heard a judge give the options listed in my next post during his directions to the jury at a murder trial.
If you don't (I think won't) believe someone on the Internet feel free to see for yourself.
https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/1967/58/section/6
https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/1967/58/section/6
We need a new Os and it looks like Ian has decided to step into the breach! 
Ian, obviously you owe me **** all, but I'd be really interested in your responses to those questions.
If the board can give Os **** for dump posting and running without explaining his points then the sane rules should be for the far left too
Ian, I’d politely suggest listening and learning from Lincs on this. It’s not really one for opinions.
Os gets banned and the whole board swings back into the centre!
The Radio 4 report this evening stated that Blake was being charged with gross miconduct but did not elaborate on this. The BBC news website quotes Amanda Rowe , the director of IOPC, who states that the legal test for misconduct has a low bar and they believe in this instance there is a case to answer. This follows their own investigations and interviews.
I stand corrected about the issue of manslaughter and bow to Lincoln's greater knowledge. I have no axe to grind with anyone on this. No issues with Lincoln or Libby.
Just wondered if anyone had thought about the opposite argument that it is ok to make errors of judgement that result in the deaths of others and not to be held accountable ? Do you think SO19 should be given immunity from prosecution ? There was clearly an error of judgement in a febrile situation with a community that was already nervous after George Floyd.
I don't think my opinion is un anyway controversial but no doubt IOAG will be clutching his pearls.
I stand corrected about the issue of manslaughter and bow to Lincoln's greater knowledge. I have no axe to grind with anyone on this. No issues with Lincoln or Libby.
Just wondered if anyone had thought about the opposite argument that it is ok to make errors of judgement that result in the deaths of others and not to be held accountable ? Do you think SO19 should be given immunity from prosecution ? There was clearly an error of judgement in a febrile situation with a community that was already nervous after George Floyd.
I don't think my opinion is un anyway controversial but no doubt IOAG will be clutching his pearls.
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Os gets banned and the whole board swings back into the centre!
MacDonald's shares will now take a tumble
Again please refer to Sal Naseem's comments. It's interesting you mentioned George Floyd. Not only are we keen as a nation to import American politics, we're importing their notion of racist police brutality too. It's simply not the case. Look at the % of firearms operations in E&W (the stats are out there) look how many times a firearm is discharged. People are so desperate to kick the police they'll ignore all factual evidence.
What the IOPC are doing now is commonly known as going for a second bite of the cherry. The IOPC are anything but independent. If the rules they apply to police were applied to them, 99% of cases would get nowhere near a court. They're desperate, absolutely desperate to get an officer, particularly a firearms officer sent down. They believe it will help with their "independence" and credibility. If you're really bored take a look at some of their investigations on bog standard complaints. They'll always always find a reason to give an officer a GM hearing even when it's clear (like from CCTV/BWV) that the complainant lied.
No one thinks Police officers or firearms officers should be above the law. But AFOs are more scrutinised than any other police force in the world. If you're taking Rowes statement at face value, then please read the rest of it.
“This is a decision we have taken based on examining all the evidence, views of all parties and by applying the thresholds set out in legislation and guidance which govern our work. The legal test for deciding whether there is a case to answer is low – is there sufficient evidence upon which, on the balance of probabilities, a disciplinary panel could make a finding of misconduct. This has been met and therefore we need to follow the legal process.
A panel could state hippos are pink. Doesn't mean they are. That's literally how much thought they put into it
There's nothing here to suggest that the officer did anything wrong whatsoever, it's once again them bowing to external pressure so when MB is found no case to answer they can claim they tried
Thumwood's posts are generally high on wishful thinking but low on facts. He also has an annoying way of assuming everyone thinks the same as him and he speaks for us all. Annoying but insignificant when compared to his opinions.
I used to think he was a harmless but slightly eccentric poster. That was until he put up one of the most disgusting posts that I have seen on this board (not those about Kaba) and is still there for all to see. From that moment I treat his posts and him with contempt.
I used to think he was a harmless but slightly eccentric poster. That was until he put up one of the most disgusting posts that I have seen on this board (not those about Kaba) and is still there for all to see. From that moment I treat his posts and him with contempt.
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That is a well thought out post but it is interesting to read what you have highlighted in bold as this was precisely why i was arguing the GM enquiry had to proceed. In cases where lethal force is used , it is important that police officers are held to accoint and exonerated if necessary. As stated, the threshold for making a case is low but in these circumstances where someone not doing their job properly has cost a person their life. If a doctor had not followed proceedings with the consequence , they woukd face a GM enquiry. Why should it not relate to a firearms officer.
I think alot of the problem stems from the fact this involved the Met . Probably time for the Met to be reconstructed along the same lines that has happened in Northern Ireland.
If a Doctor had someone die on their operating table, it does not necessarily follow that they have committed misconduct.
Just because someone died it does not mean that the officers have breached any powers, policies or infractions. The officer has already had accountability. He was tried in court, in front of a jury of his peers.
I asked if you'd read Sal Naseems comments. He clearly states they only brought this forward to appease community tensions. Rowe's full statement shows the IOPC are still playing to the gallery. This has nothing to do with misconduct and everything to do with showing "communities" that the IOPC are on their side.
I'd still genuinely be interested in your answers to those questions. What would you have done in those circumstances?
Edit- you keep saying the officer didn't follow procedure. Where are you getting that from?
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The working class can kiss my arse,
I’ve got the foreman’s job at last.
You can tell old Joe I’m off the dole -
He can stick his Red Flag up his hole.
Then raise the Workers’ Bomb on high!
Beneath its shroud we’ll gladly die!
Though all our critics do shout “Balls!”
They’ll be beneath it when it falls!
I’ve got the foreman’s job at last.
You can tell old Joe I’m off the dole -
He can stick his Red Flag up his hole.
Then raise the Workers’ Bomb on high!
Beneath its shroud we’ll gladly die!
Though all our critics do shout “Balls!”
They’ll be beneath it when it falls!
You just did and so you must have heard someone saying it?
I don't think so, most sensible people would leave the matter to those that know what they are talking about, it is far too complex for most of us to understand all of the nuances. Some would even think it was a justifable homicide, but who can be the judge of that? No doubt lessons will have been learned and put to good use in the event of similar future incidents. You insist on emphasising the Racist element, this is just one element in a whole raft of issues affecting the Met. These are being addressed we are told, and we can only wait and see if they can be resolved.
Not sure what exactly you're referring to but I'd say his views are clearly not to be taken seriously. The post saying America poses a threat to the free world and we should work more closely with China in response was a classic.
Agree with all that. Very silly comment by them. Probably meant nothing by it but still unacceptable.
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We should follow the EU's model and try to negotiate more trade with China. Given the fact that China is already caching precious materials necessary for tech products , we needs closer ties with China and not side with Trump.