Match Day Thread Swansea v Hull City

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I've noticed he doesn't talk about it as much in recent weeks. When he first came he talked a lot about being more 'vertical' but I've not heard him say that in a long time now. I think that's a clue that we're now just trying to get over the line and leaving anything more ambitious to next season.


Absolutely, you can’t talk about a style of play when you are clearly limping over the line with nothing much to show.

If he manages to save us from relegation, then he can talk about implementing something or another.
 
Maybe, and I know the referee isn't going to change his mind but Coyle, as captain has every right to protest and demand that the referee consults his linesman, because it was NOT handball. It delays the kick, it puts doubt in the penalty takers mind and it puts serious doubt in the referees mind that he has made a huge mistake. Do you think any team/or captain in any other league would have accepted a decision like that so meekly is such an important game without a serious protest as we did this afternoon?
Depends whether linesman saw it. There was a loud shout round the stadium so plenty of people thought it was a pen. They were all wrong, and without VAR or any evidence short of a ball logo printed on Egan's face, the ref isn't interested in changing his mind

Coyle needs to do more to lift the team when things aren't working, but he was absolutely right in this case
 
If the penalty hadn't been given, which it shouldn't have, the rest of the game would have been totally different as they wouldn't have had a lead to hold onto. All ifs and buts, end of the day we were awful again and created nothing, it's very concerning just don't think this lot have any bottle and sadly not much quality.

Can you elaborate on chaos theory, specifically the 'butterfly effect', please
 
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My God I should pay rent for living in your head this much.
I must admit, I do find it hard to get some of the bollox you spout out of my head!
For example, a handful of games were still to play and you go round saying it's best for the very few teams below us to be playing each other as that means someone loses points. But it also means one or both gain points ... which means they gain points on us when we can't win. It's better if they play someone out of the mix and lose. Point proven today. Now both Cardiff and Luton can overtake us with just 1 win.
We have to find a win, maybe two from somewhere. God knows how coz we look absolutely clueless atm, and have done these past few games where we seem to have gone backwards under Selle's coaching, tactics, selections and decision making. And that is now seriously worrying.
 
Depends whether linesman saw it. There was a loud shout round the stadium so plenty of people thought it was a pen. They were all wrong, and without VAR or any evidence short of a ball logo printed on Egan's face, the ref isn't interested in changing his mind

Coyle needs to do more to lift the team when things aren't working, but he was absolutely right in this case
Doesn't matter if the linesman's saw it or not, but we will never know because no-one asked him. The point of protesting and the captain had every right to protest is to delay the kick, cause confusion, put doubt in peoples minds, Some people call it professionalism, something this lot lack in abundance.
 
I've noticed he doesn't talk about it as much in recent weeks. When he first came he talked a lot about being more 'vertical' but I've not heard him say that in a long time now. I think that's a clue that we're now just trying to get over the line and leaving anything more ambitious to next season.

I get the same feeling. I’ve just noticed we’ve gone from having 55-60% possession nearly every game under both Rosenior and Walter and now it’s closer to 35-40%. We’re sitting deep against average teams that we previously dominated possession against. Possession isn’t everything but if you have more of the ball, you conserve energy that would be otherwise spent pressing and tracking back.

We give up so much ground under Sellés against bang-average teams. A few people have said today that they’re sick of seeing us set up like we’re a League Two team playing Arsenal in the FA Cup against the likes of Swansea and Watford and I fully agree. Portsmouth play quite expansively and bravely and score loads of goals for a team in the bottom half fighting relegation. They put five past Norwich today. They’ve also put four past Swansea and Coventry this season.
 
Maybe, and I know the referee isn't going to change his mind but Coyle, as captain has every right to protest and demand that the referee consults his linesman, because it was NOT handball. It delays the kick, it puts doubt in the penalty takers mind and it puts serious doubt in the referees mind that he has made a huge mistake. Do you think any team/or captain in any other league would have accepted a decision like that so meekly in such an important game without a serious protest as we did this afternoon?
and more, maybe he's told in his ear 'not a penally' and has to redress the balance somehow.
 
But we still deserve the draw but reading the posts on here you'd think we deserved to get thumped 5-0
That's what I find frustrating, we lose 1 nil and create nothing. If it was a hammering every week then fair enough, take it on the chin about how poor we are, but if it's only 1 nil we surely have to have another plan and have a go at teams as they really aren't much better than us.
 
I get the same feeling. I’ve just noticed we’ve gone from having 55-60% possession nearly every game under both Rosenior and Walter and now it’s closer to 35-40%. We’re sitting deep against average teams that we previously dominated possession against. Possession isn’t everything but if you have more of the ball, you conserve energy that would be otherwise spent pressing and tracking back.

We give up so much ground under Sellés against bang-average teams. A few people have said today that they’re sick of seeing us set up like we’re a League Two team playing Arsenal in the FA Cup against the likes of Swansea and Watford and I fully agree. Portsmouth play quite expansively and bravely and score loads of goals for a team in the bottom half fighting relegation. They put five past Norwich today. They’ve also put four past Swansea and Coventry this season.
Selles stats at Reading were always in the negative. Someone posted this earlier in the season.
 
and more, maybe he's told in his ear 'not a penally' and has to redress the balance somehow.

I think that might be even more frustrating than the penalty award - the fact that he was so reluctant to give us one at the other end for a pretty good shout, when so often you see refs desperate to even it up in those circumstances.

I don't think we've had a penalty under Selles have we? I go on about this a lot but it must account for a lot of points when you get games like today where the single deciding factor was that they got a penalty.
 
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and more, maybe he's told in his ear 'not a penally' and has to redress the balance somehow.
Exactly and a team a bit more street wise then we are would have played on that by getting into the box more with the ball at our feet. Force the referee into making a decision, but you have to get into the box to do that. Run at them, take them on, one on one, How many times did we do that? ****ing hell you do that at amateur level.
 
That's what I find frustrating, we lose 1 nil and create nothing. If it was a hammering every week then fair enough, take it on the chin about how poor we are, but if it's only 1 nil we surely have to have another plan and have a go at teams as they really aren't much better than us.
I'll repeat what I said earlier. we have two goals in 5 games. one a stoppage time winner that is just keeping us out of the bottom 3 and the other a speculative shot that could have been an own goal.
 
That's what I find frustrating, we lose 1 nil and create nothing. If it was a hammering every week then fair enough, take it on the chin about how poor we are, but if it's only 1 nil we surely have to have another plan and have a go at teams as they really aren't much better than us.

The fact that we don't create chances against so called average or even "Crap" teams is the reason I now think we will go down - we simply cannot score goals and so are prone to lose in tight games
 
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Not watching the Cardiff game, but just noticed they've had 5 shots to Sheff's 0 so far. Might not represent anything, or even result in anything for them, but suggests they're giving it a go.

We wait for these so called 'moments' which, of late, rely more on luck than quality.

It's a recipe for relegation.
 
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