Election 2024

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[PINKIE]

Because we are all fundamentally operating within a failed framework. The neo-liberal economic philosophy that Thatcher/Reagan established isn't working anymore.

We also lack governments who have the spine to introduce real serious change to our societies. Take the UK, since 1945 we have only had two truly transformative prime ministers - Clement Attlee and Margaret Thatcher, in between those two PMs every single one has all but copied what they put into place with nothing new at all to contribute. Just look at other countries and sorta copy is what we all do.

The UK needs a government that comes in and seriously changes our tax system, VAT, services, pensions, welfare. These things are absolutely attainable within an emergency budget and single term, but the PM and party has to have the spine first and foremost to get it ****ing done. Attlee and Thatcher have proven it can be done.

Starmer ain't the man for it, he's an attorney and he likes to operate in the preexisting laws. The Tories only produce inbred ****wits so that ain't going to help.

Farage seems to be hellbent on maintaining an even stronger Neo-Liberal system whilst dismantling Attlees work. So they really won't help anyone.

The idea of constant growth is completely unsustainable anyway.

And when it only makes the wealthier even more wealthy anyway, the whole social fabric begins to erode.

Economies should be based on how well they provide for their citizens, in terms of housing, schools, hospitals, transport, public services etc.

But the neo-liberal capitalist model is a dog eat dog world, which creates countries that can use leverage to quash smaller economies (trapping them in eternal debt)

 

[brb]

Anyway lads, things livening up now, Spurs getting smashed by Chelsea...

 

[Welshie]

Much as with the Tories and now Labour, we always seem more interested in filling financial blackholes than looking after people. Not helped by constantly voting millionaires into power, or in the case of the US putting a Billioanire at the wheel who wasn't even voted into anything, alongside the president.

We seem more interested in filling blackholes as opposed to just you know, making more ****ing money. I find it baffling to be honest.

There's so much untapped cash we have wizzing around the UK that the government just watches float on by and they don't want to tap into it because they're terrified of Google n Microsoft deciding they wont want to work here anymore. An utter nonsense idea tbh.

All the whilst people demand a "wealth tax" you want to tax the people living in the UK on their personal wages n wealth, but don't want to tax the massive goliath £200b corporation/bank that actually pays those wages, it's just vindictive eat the rich nonsense tbh and lacks any logic.

 

[PINKIE]

Trump didn't read that lol.

It was put together by an intern

They only gave him page 1 lol

He'll probs have a paddy on the ****ter later when he sees that Iran are on the list.

 

[Solid Air]

I think retaliatory tariffs are pointless tbh, especially from a UK perspective.

Tariffs don't even hit services, which is what the UK has a massive surplus with the US in, so in all essence the UK has dodged huge tariffs. If I was Land Rover/Jaguar I'd be a bit miffed tho.

25% tariff on car exports will hurt us

 

[brb]

Ok lads, normal play resumes after it's taken half hour to say a goal was offside....****ed like the economy.

 

[Welshie]

They only gave him page 1 lol

He'll probs have a paddy on the ****ter later when he sees that Iran are on the list.

Fox News will have to inform him of it cos apparently thats where he gets most of his information from

 

[brb]

They only gave him page 1 lol

He'll probs have a paddy on the ****ter later when he sees that Iran are on the list.

 

[Welshie]

25% tariff on car exports will hurt us

If there was need for a retaliatory tariff you could stop giving Tesla it's grant and remove US electric vehicles from EV incentives, essentially making it more expensive to drive American and cheaper to drive European/British.

 

[Milk..]

54% on china though

just listening to Faisal Islam who is speculating that the goods that China would have imported into the US will now head to Europe, which could mean lower prices for European consumers

US consumers are ****ed.

Exactly... If everyone puts tariffs in retaliation back on the US but trades freely amongst themselves, the only loser here is the US. It's almost like it's placing a trade embargo on itself (a common punishment tactic the UN floats).

 

[Milk..]

I use to always take blackberries and raspberries home for my mum to make a pie, that I'd picked round the country lanes. I use to go scrumping in all the orchards, for apples, pears, cherries and get chased by the farmers...in our day you had to take your life in your own hands to get food, my bro got stuck up a tree onetime, with a farmer standing directly below the tree holding a shotgun, not knowing my bro was up there, so we had to get the farmer to chase us to pull him away from the cherry tree.

I love wild blackberries- free food.

I'd guess about 2 acres of our property is nothing but blackberry brambles. There's a patch where trees had once been cut (I think the previous owner was planning on putting houses on our land, but the land is really not suitable/too slopy/ too much water run off) - not enough big shade trees on that part of the property so blackberries have taken over. Makes for far more blackberries than I could ever eat. Made lots of homemade wine/jam from them over the last few years while here.

Didn't stop me buying some blackberry plants to plant closer to the house though (thornless and seedsless, so worth the buy)

 

[FosseFilberto]

I think retaliatory tariffs are pointless tbh, especially from a UK perspective.

Tariffs don't even hit services, which is what the UK has a massive surplus with the US in, so in all essence the UK has dodged huge tariffs. If I was Land Rover/Jaguar I'd be a bit miffed tho.

Hit the stupid **** with retaliatory DST that will make the likes of Amazon, Microsoft and Google pay more equitably in territories where their income is actually derived from .. show the pompous, swollen, orange, wiggy blimp the consequences of his posturing ... and make Americas biggest corporations aware that the idiot in The Whitehouse caused their increased foreign tax burdens...

 

[Milk..]

£2.69 for a litre of milk

To be fair, it takes me 15 mins just to fill a shot glass.

 

[Sucky]

Hit the stupid **** with retaliatory DST that will make the likes of Amazon, Microsoft and Google pay more equitably in territories where their income is actually derived from .. show the pompous, swollen, orange, wiggy blimp the consequences of his posturing ... and make Americas biggest corporations aware that the idiot in The Whitehouse caused their increased foreign tax burdens...

Just loooooooooooool

 

[PINKIE]

It's probably relevant to all this **** but most people in Wales buy New Zealand lamb from supermarkets because it's a lot cheaper. We've got lots of sheep but import New Zealand lamb and export Welsh lamb. Now I might be missing something here but if we just stopped doing both and sell our own lamb at a reasonable price the cost of exporting it would be saved and everyone is happy eating the nicer lamb that hasn't travelled half way around the world. But I'm probably wrong innit. Not that simple because people don't want it to be.

This is why the farmers markets are so good. Sell direct to the public and cut out the middle man and all of the bureaucracy

I work with producers at the markets who all started out importing their lamb, pork, chicken etc into the EU and who now just sell direct to their customers. A lot of that came about after brexit as they were just getting shafted by extra checks and red tape. But as a business you need to pivot when necessary and the result is that a good network of local food producers now sell direct to the public

The quality is better, the price is better and the whole food chain, food miles etc stuff is better.

 

[luvgonzo]

This is why the farmers markets are so good. Sell direct to the public and cut out the middle man and all of the bureaucracy

I work with producers at the markets who all started out importing their lamb, pork, chicken etc into the EU and who now just sell direct to their customers. A lot of that came about after brexit as they were just getting shafted by extra checks and red tape. But as a business you need to pivot when necessary and the result is that a good network of local food producers now sell direct to the public

The quality is better, the price is better and the whole food chain, food miles etc stuff is better.

I understand that the point I was making is much more complicated but what I'm getting at is there are alternatives to a lot of import export situations and many producers need to reset and look at whether they actual need to export all over the world. Same with the Peruvian asparagus or Spanish blackberries, just stop it's not required.

 

[PINKIE]

It’s madness really. I saw some asparagus from Peru in Sainsbury’s the other day

This is because consumers want everything, on tap, all year round. Or at least that's what the supermarkets have pushed us to believe.

Asparagus only grows for a short period in the UK, between about now and mid June. And you only used to be able to get it then.

It's the same with loads of things, Strawberries in winter will come from Spain or Morocco.

If we want to opt out of this model we'll have to learn to eat seasonally again. Fruit in the summer, squash in the Autumn and Cabbage and Cauli etc in the winter etc.

But folk want their Mangos and Avocados year round along with all of the things they'd only get seasonally in the UK.

The worst part is that lots of it ends up getting thrown away anyway, after it's been shipped halfway around the world, then driven in refrigerated trucks to supermarkets, sat in another fridge, driven home when it's bought, stuck in the fridge again and then lobbed in the bin a week later.

 

[luvgonzo]

This is because consumers want everything, on tap, all year round. Or at least that's what the supermarkets have pushed us to believe.

Asparagus only grows for a short period in the UK, between about now and mid June. And you only used to be able to get it then.

It's the same with loads of things, Strawberries in winter will come from Spain or Morocco.

If we want to opt out of this model we'll have to learn to eat seasonally again. Fruit in the summer, squash in the Autumn and Cabbage and Cauli etc in the winter etc.

But folk want their Mangos and Avocados year round along with all of the things they'd only get seasonally in the UK.

The worst part is that lots of it ends up getting thrown away anyway, after it's been shipped halfway around the world, then driven in refrigerated trucks to supermarkets, sat in another fridge, driven home when it's bought, stuck in the fridge again and then lobbed in the bin a week later.

This is where we need to just stop, **** consumers wanting things, it's not available live with it, eat something else.

 

[PINKIE]

I understand that the point I was making is much more complicated but what I'm getting at is there are alternatives to a lot of import export situations and many producers need to reset and look at whether they actual need to export all over the world. Same with the Peruvian asparagus or Spanish blackberries, just stop it's not required.

Down here you can buy Sardines in a tin that have come from Portugal, or you can walk 50 yards down the road and buy them fresh from a boat that has landed them 2 hours ago. There's loads of examples around the country like this where you can get local food from butchers, fishmongers, markets etc.

But the supermarket has become king, because they drive down producers profits so much in order that they can offer 'cheap' food. Also they offer everything under one roof and free parking, so it's just become loads easier do to your shop in one go, rather than paying to park in a town centre and then walk around to all the different shops.