Seriously though, Putin is not going to use nukes. With early warning systems, if he so much as fired one at London, we’d fire ten back. Moscow would cease to exist as quickly as London would. He’s not going to do that.
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I don’t know if we can guarantee anything at this point. They are clearly telling Europe to fight our own battles now.
I am not suggesting they would attack Russia. I think sending a “peacekeeping force” is a terrible idea without full backing from the US.
(I think it’s a bad idea anyway, actually).
I would keep British troops as far away as possible if I were in charge.
Turkey is the key strategic target for both Western forces and Russia, should hostilities escalate. The importance of the Bosphorus and the Dardanelles to Russia cannot be overstated. Not much point in holding Sevastopol if your ships are confined to the Black Sea.
Erdogan might not be the nicest chap ever to be in charge of a country but unfortunately he has what everyone wants, and everyone in Europe will be wooing him.
I’m saying that in this monumentally unlikely scenario, we’d be buying fuel from the US, in order to fight our own battles. Trump understands money.
DOGE Quietly Deletes the 5 Biggest Spending Cuts It Celebrated Last Week
The cuts, highlighted on an earlier version of the “wall of receipts” posted by Elon Musk’s team
- A $8 billion cut at Immigration and Customs Enforcement. The actual contract in question was worth $8 million.
- Three $655 million cuts at the U.S. Agency for International Development. This was actually a single cut that was erroneously counted three times. Now, the site lists a much smaller savings for these three cancellations: $18 million in total.
- A $232 million cut at the Social Security Administration. Actually only $560,000
- The largest savings on the latest version of its list is a $1.9 billion cut at the Treasury Department. But The Times reported last week that this contract was cancelled last fall, when Joseph R. Biden Jr. was president — and when DOGE did not yet exist
https://www.nytimes.com/2025/02/25/upshot/doge-spending-cuts-changed.html
So Musk isn't just a **** he's a lying **** but we knew that anyway as is the other **** Trump and his ****ish bunch of sycophantic arselickers
…which is why you need an adult…
Instead of copying and pasting propaganda from the NY times which has had an obvious bias against Trump for a long time, you can just go to the website for doge and see the cost savings yourself in real time:
https://www.doge.gov/savings
Instead of throwing childish insults at Elon musk you guys would be better served by asking the question ‘why are the media colluding to negatively cover his effort to weed out waste, fraud and corruption?’
Could it be that the interests of the owners of the legacy media, and those that want to keep the unlimited money printer flowing are inextricably linked?
Shame no one has mentioned the Russian economy. The sanctions faced by Russia at the moment are having an excellent effect. Just a shame that Trump has seriously miscalculated and tried to negotiate when the Russian economy has further to descend.
Peace would come quicker with more and harsher sanctions. That would bring Russia to the negotiation table. They have no hand to play economically as Russia does not produce anything the western world wants.
Leave the sanctions in place and Putin will be crippled financially and will lose support in Russia when there is nothing in the shops to buy.
Peace would come quicker with more and harsher sanctions. That would bring Russia to the negotiation table. They have no hand to play economically as Russia does not produce anything the western world wants.
Leave the sanctions in place and Putin will be crippled financially and will lose support in Russia when there is nothing in the shops to buy.
Or the people on this committee to do their job, maybe they do. The Public Accounts Committee monitors public spending across the whole of the Government with a particular focus on ensuring value for money for the taxpayer.
I generally agree but you're assuming our nukes work. In a recent Trident test the missile dropped into the ocean not far from where it was fired while in 2016 the previous UK nuclear test also failed, with the missile flying off course.
Fun stuff!
"Russia is so weak they can't beat Ukraine"
Also
"If we don't stop Russia now they're gonna fight all of NATO, and takeover Europe"
Amazing how these two statements are allowed to exist at the same time in the minds of Starmer’s loyalists and used to justify endangering British citizens
Also
"If we don't stop Russia now they're gonna fight all of NATO, and takeover Europe"
Amazing how these two statements are allowed to exist at the same time in the minds of Starmer’s loyalists and used to justify endangering British citizens
Seem to me that you are the one trolling this nonsense, Russia could defeat Ukraine, but it will take a long time and may cost too many lives. NATO v Russia is just a complete misrepresentation of the truth.
Ok, rephrase it for you.
1. Right now Russia is militarily weak after sanctions and a long hard war.
2. If we lift sanctions and end the war without firm assurances for Putin’s neighbours, he will grow stronger and take one more. And then another.
Os - which parts of the article are wrong? And if the answer is ‘no, the article is correct’, has Musk admitted the mistakes and apologised for the misinformation (which he absolutely should, and shouldn’t be congratulated for if he has, that should be the bare minimum one should expect)?
If the NYT is reporting correct information there, then saying “it’s the NYT and they hate Trump” is the childish response. It doesn’t matter if it’s Fox or NYT or The Guardian or Reuters - it’s important information that you’re not going to get by looking at Musk’s Twitter feed.
You keep going on about how Trump and Musk are making government accountable to the people, without seeing the monumental contradiction there if they’re not telling you stuff and lying.
If you want actual childish - the first five minutes of that podcast was the equivalent of two ten year old boys saying “willy” and “poo poo” to one another and giggling. The ‘hot girls’ stuff was Beavis and Butthead. If you think someone like that should be anywhere near anything important, I have a bridge to sell you.
From Grok:
Yes, according to multiple reports, the Department of Government Efficiency (DOGE), an initiative led by Elon Musk, quietly removed the five largest spending cuts it had previously celebrated from its "wall of receipts" website. This action followed scrutiny from media outlets, including The New York Times, which highlighted significant errors in the reported savings. These errors included an overstated $8 billion cut at Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) that was actually $8 million, three $655 million cuts at USAID that were a single cut counted three times, and a $232 million cut at the Social Security Administration that was vastly inflated. The deletions occurred around February 25, 2025, with no detailed explanation provided on the site, though DOGE later claimed a revised total savings of $65 billion. The lack of transparency and the scale of the inaccuracies have raised questions about the initiative's credibility.
Yes, according to multiple reports, the Department of Government Efficiency (DOGE), an initiative led by Elon Musk, quietly removed the five largest spending cuts it had previously celebrated from its "wall of receipts" website. This action followed scrutiny from media outlets, including The New York Times, which highlighted significant errors in the reported savings. These errors included an overstated $8 billion cut at Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) that was actually $8 million, three $655 million cuts at USAID that were a single cut counted three times, and a $232 million cut at the Social Security Administration that was vastly inflated. The deletions occurred around February 25, 2025, with no detailed explanation provided on the site, though DOGE later claimed a revised total savings of $65 billion. The lack of transparency and the scale of the inaccuracies have raised questions about the initiative's credibility.
Also Grok:
Yes, Elon Musk has acknowledged mistakes made by the Department of Government Efficiency (DOGE) regarding its claimed spending cuts. While he has not detailed every error individually, he has publicly stated that mistakes will occur and that they will be corrected quickly. For instance, during a February 26, 2025, cabinet meeting at the White House, Musk remarked, "We won't be perfect, but when we make mistakes, we'll fix it very quickly." This was in response to questions about the accuracy of DOGE's "wall of receipts," where significant errors—like the $8 billion ICE cut that was actually $8 million—had been identified and quietly removed from the site around February 25, 2025. Additionally, in posts on X on February 27, 2025, Musk noted that the DOGE website includes corrections when errors are found, suggesting an admission of inaccuracies without specifying each one. His general stance has been to emphasize transparency and rapid correction rather than to deny the mistakes outright.
Yes, Elon Musk has acknowledged mistakes made by the Department of Government Efficiency (DOGE) regarding its claimed spending cuts. While he has not detailed every error individually, he has publicly stated that mistakes will occur and that they will be corrected quickly. For instance, during a February 26, 2025, cabinet meeting at the White House, Musk remarked, "We won't be perfect, but when we make mistakes, we'll fix it very quickly." This was in response to questions about the accuracy of DOGE's "wall of receipts," where significant errors—like the $8 billion ICE cut that was actually $8 million—had been identified and quietly removed from the site around February 25, 2025. Additionally, in posts on X on February 27, 2025, Musk noted that the DOGE website includes corrections when errors are found, suggesting an admission of inaccuracies without specifying each one. His general stance has been to emphasize transparency and rapid correction rather than to deny the mistakes outright.