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balkan tiger said:
I don't think anyone is asking for it to be a closed shop or any other form of doing away with promotions and relegation, just that football is more enjoyable in the competitive championship than it is getting beat most games in the Premier league.
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i get that, i just mean winning is enjoyable
as it gets you closer to rewards, but then people say they dont want the rewards that comes with it, i dont see why winning is enjoyable then . if anything you shouldnt enjoy the win as it risks the reward you dont want..<laugh>
 
DJBlackandamberarmy(No4) said:
this point of view blags my head though, the reason its good to be in the competitive league is cos you have a chance to win more games, and winning games is good as it pushes you up higher in the league and you get the excitement of getting closer to the top 6/ 2 , but if you dont want the rewards of that, why is it exciting?
if they made it a closed shop and you couldnt get promoted or releagted it wouldnt matter if you won or lost every week and that excitement and competitive edge has gone
i know lots of people feel like you but it just doesnt make sense to me personally..
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Agree with this

I also understand the mentality of once promoted expecting to come back down but with the hope uou have a better squad to go straight back up and make a better go of it the second time
 
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DJBlackandamberarmy(No4) said:
I’m shocked how **** Luton are, keep waiting for them to kick into gear . Starting to think they won’t now <laugh> .. they were quite unlucky in the premier league , often losing late on to the top teams . Hard to fathom how they are now so ****e, I didn’t think they had lost that many players ?
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Thing is they were never actually that good on a squad level even in the Championship were they? Like a few teams over the years, they found a formula that clicked and built up loads of momentum and got promoted. But their wage bill will have been bottom end of the division. They went up and came down and haven't really spent much money on players off the back of that, so they're back were they were - a bottom end championship club - minus the momentum they had.
 
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PLT said:
Thing is they were never actually that good on a squad level even in the Championship were they? Like a few teams over the years, they found a formula that clicked and built up loads of momentum and got promoted. But their wage bill will have been bottom end of the division. They went up and came down and haven't really spent much money on players off the back of that, so they're back were they were - a bottom end championship club - minus the momentum they had.
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Or momentum in another direction :emoticon-0149-no:
 
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originallambrettaman said:
It doesn't make sense to me either, you have to strive to complete at the highest level, otherwise what's the point.

It is clearly possible to get promoted and do well, Forest, Fulham, Brighton, Brentford and Bournemouth have all done it.
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All bankrolled to a ridiculous degree tho
And with the rules now not sure a rich owner can bankroll it even if they wanted to
They’re making it a closed shop by stealth
It’s stopping Newcastle pushing on not been able to spend what they want to
 
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For any nerds. A bloke has been running simulations every week. He runs 10,000 of them and currently has us as a 12% chance to go down.

Cardiff are at 22%, Plymouth at 77%, Derby at 81% and Luton at 87%.

I do think the points needed is going to be about 46-48. Win the 4 home games vs the rest of the teams around us and we will be safe
 
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HCAFCHangout said:
For any nerds. A bloke has been running simulations every week. He runs 10,000 of them and currently has us as a 12% chance to go down.

Cardiff are at 22%, Plymouth at 77%, Derby at 81% and Luton at 87%.

I do think the points needed is going to be about 46-48. Win the 4 home games vs the rest of the teams around us and we will be safe
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If that prediction relies on us winning those 4 home games I'd be wary of it!
 
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DJBlackandamberarmy(No4) said:
this point of view blags my head though, the reason its good to be in the competitive league is cos you have a chance to win more games, and winning games is good as it pushes you up higher in the league and you get the excitement of getting closer to the top 6/ 2 , but if you dont want the rewards of that, why is it exciting?
if they made it a closed shop and you couldnt get promoted or releagted it wouldnt matter if you won or lost every week and that excitement and competitive edge has gone
i know lots of people feel like you but it just doesnt make sense to me personally..
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life would be boring if we all had the same opinion, I have no desire to watch my team get beaten every week in the prem, would much rather be around the top 6 of the championship every year
 
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SW3 Chelsea Tiger said:
life would be boring if we all had the same opinion, I have no desire to watch my team get beaten every week in the prem, would much rather be around the top 6 of the championship every year
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Prior to 2008 we had spent more seasons at our current level than any other. All any fan wanted was to see us go up.
 
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Im not arsed at all about being in the prem

I think for me
The dream would be for us to be fully self sustainable at championship level

No billionaire **** ownership

With 1 or 2 academy players coming through every couple seasons

Probably not even realistic though
 
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bradymk2 said:
Im not arsed at all about being in the prem

I think for me
The dream would be for us to be fully self sustainable at championship level

No billionaire **** ownership

With 1 or 2 academy players coming through every couple seasons

Probably not even realistic though
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You're not going to be self sustaining in a league where owner dependency is the norm unfortunately.

People were using Luton as an example of it a couple of years ago. Not anymore they're not.
 
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SW3 Chelsea Tiger said:
life would be boring if we all had the same opinion, I have no desire to watch my team get beaten every week in the prem, would much rather be around the top 6 of the championship every year
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Indeed it would be, but why do you want us to be around the top 6? I want to be around the top 6 too , cos it means we might get up , do you want to be around the top 6 but lose on last day to finish 7th? I’m not been funny , I just find it confusing , had same debate with many people over the years and probably will many more times , and I just can’t get my head round it that’s all <laugh>
 
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DJBlackandamberarmy(No4) said:
Indeed it would be, but why do you want us to be around the top 6? I want to be around the top 6 too , cos it means we might get up , do you want to be around the top 6 but lose on last day to finish 7th? I’m not been funny , I just find it confusing , had same debate with many people over the years and probably will many more times , and I just can’t get my head round it that’s all <laugh>
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yeah basically

enjoy winning most games but don’t worry about our league position, take each game in isolation
 
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Mckechnie Orange said:
I'd rather do a Bournemouth, or Fulham. Go up, take the money, get relegated, go back up stronger
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Bournemouth stayed up for 5/seasons before being relegated, 2 seasons in the Championship and back up again. They have a wealthy group behind them now.

Best way is go up, come down and use the money on training facilities like Burnley and Norwich did.
 
Cityzen said:
Bournemouth stayed up for 5/seasons before being relegated, 2 seasons in the Championship and back up again. They have a wealthy group behind them now.

Best way is go up, come down and use the money on training facilities like Burnley and Norwich did.
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Thats what pisses me off a bit

What sort of legacy have we had from the prem seasons and all the money that it comes with?
 
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