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[Sucky]

I've seen atheists attacking anyone with a religious view till I've pointed out that they are the exact equivalent of an extremist...they just don't see it because it's not highlighted but when you break down their anger, ignorance and arrogance then they are just like the Muslim extremist and the Christian extremist. They make passive comments in the same vein other extreme thinkers do.

Thats a good angle to shut them up tbh

 

[luvgonzo]

I've seen atheists attacking anyone with a religious view till I've pointed out that they are the exact equivalent of an extremist...they just don't see it because it's not highlighted but when you break down their anger, ignorance and arrogance then they are just like the Muslim extremist and the Christian extremist. They make passive comments in the same vein other extreme thinkers do.

I'm with you on this one, spot on.

 

[Sucky]

would agree with that. I don’t believe in religion but would not put myself down as an atheist as that’s the same. A cult like belief that there are no ‘gods’

there are that many gods etc that most believers could be called atheists in a way as they don’t believe in all the others.

There's only one god

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[Peej]

I hate thinking there's corruption and and an agenda against us, but some of the **** I've seen this season just screams bent af

Arteta complains about it, and I think that just makes us even more of a target.

Yeah, poor clubs and corrupt PGMOL or whatever.
Remeber retrospectively banning players for diving…..which club was the only one to have this done and shortly after it was scrapped when ‘big club’ players were scrutinised….

 

[brb]

Yeah some do, most are fine, but there's definitely a militant vegan element to it. Like has been mentioned it's almost evangelical for some people, they feel that they have got to preach and 'save' carnivores from going to hell. In my line of work I come across a lot of vegans, because most of my products are vegan and I sell to health food shops and trade at food fairs and hippy festivals etc.

I got kicked out of an event once because I wasn't vegan myself, even though I was selling vegan products. When I challenged it, they told me that they wanted all of their traders to be vegan or transitioning to veganism. When I asked why it wasn't okay for a non vegan to sell vegan products, they said that they didn't want the money I made to then be spent on non vegan products. I told them that was a ****ing ridiculous self defeating stance to take because they themselves would have to stop shopping at any supermarket, shop, insurance company, pension company, bank and just about every service they use, because all of it would contradict their ethos.

I didn't get invited back

Your second paragraph, got to admit I did think it odd a meat eater selling products for vegans.

I think the reason I thought it odd, is because I know how strict some vegans are about everything - as you have found. How do you ensure the products you make, are not made by the same utensils that process or come in contact with any meat products you have, and that goes right down the line of hygiene as well, in regards to hands and surface washing. Extreme I know but some are.

Much as you know when you sell products, identifying allergies as well, so ensuring that someone does not have an allergy to coconut, although I expect you get asked how your products are made, let alone it can also be a liability for you as a trader.

Bit like people saying vegans constantly going on about they are vegan, but I understand why in some circumstances, much like me not eating cheese, trying to get that into people's thick skulls sometimes is difficult. Then you get the remarks because you have oat milk instead of cows milk, so that judgement works both ways. Be interesting to know the various religions take on animal cruelty, because there's plenty of it going on to bring the carnivores their products.

I've gone on a bit there, not aimed at you specifically but demonstrating there are two sides to the argument.

 

[Sucky]

I hate thinking there's corruption and and an agenda against us, but some of the **** I've seen this season just screams bent af

Arteta complains about it, and I think that just makes us even more of a target.

Evidence

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[Spurlock]

Thats a good angle to shut them up tbh

Works all the time

 

[PINKIE]

It's not just 'religious' people associated with organised religion of the classic type

I love how atheists think they have it right because they don't believe anything but themselves and this thought fills them with a lack of self reflection

I know some extremist atheists...most are, they like vegans and ****s

Would you call them religious?

I would say by definition they are...they follow the religion of atheism

In my experience they have something stuck up their arse about religions

Have a think about what I just said and reflect for those it may apply to

I have receipts btw

Yeah Atheism is just another belief system, you can't prove that there is no God or deity

I think some people are probably more Agnostic that Atheist, but to be Atheist and deny that a God exists is a bit short sighted imo

 

[PINKIE]

Evidence

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Ah cool, well everything is okay again then

 

[KingHotspur]

In summary, we can all agree that humans in general are ****s?

 

[brb]

In summary, we can all agree that humans in general are ****s?

Yes.

 

[PINKIE]

Your second paragraph, got to admit I did think it odd a meat eater selling products for vegans.

I think the reason I thought it odd, is because I know how strict some vegans are about everything - as you have found. How do you ensure the products you make, are not made by the same utensils that process or come in contact with any meat products you have, and that goes right down the line of hygiene as well, in regards to hands and surface washing. Extreme I know but some are.

Much as you know when you sell products, identifying allergies as well, so ensuring that someone does not have an allergy to coconut, although I expect you get asked how your products are made, let alone it can also be a liability for you as a trader.

Bit like people saying vegans constantly going on about they are vegan, but I understand why in some circumstances, much like me not eating cheese, trying to get that into people's thick skulls sometimes is difficult. Then you get the remarks because you have oat milk instead of cows milk, so that judgement works both ways. Be interesting to know the various religions take on animal cruelty, because there's plenty of it going on to bring the carnivores their products.

I've gone on a bit there, not aimed at you specifically but demonstrating their are two sides to the argument.

The products I used to sell at that event weren't specifically vegan, they just happen to be safe for vegans to eat as they don't have any animal products in them.

You know, kind of like Porridge isn't a 'vegan' food as such, but it just happens to be safe for vegans.

My work kitchen is separate from my kitchen at home, so I only use those utensils, work surfaces etc for my products. And yeah to operate commercially, you have to be strict as **** on hygiene and allergies etc.

I just thought the reasoning about the money thing was ridiculous, unless you want to take all of your money out of the bank (they don't only invest in non vegan stuff, but also into arms companies, big polluters etc etc) never shop in a supermarket ever again, never buy any insurance or have a pension etc as all of those things invest into questionable activities, let alone being non vegan. I just saw it as a self defeating isolationist stance to take

And I was ****ed off because that event was a good earner

 

[FosseFilberto]

It's not just 'religious' people associated with organised religion of the classic type

I love how atheists think they have it right because they don't believe anything but themselves and this thought fills them with a lack of self reflection

I know some extremist atheists...most are, they like vegans and ****s

Would you call them religious?

I would say by definition they are...they follow the religion of atheism

In my experience they have something stuck up their arse about religions

Have a think about what I just said and reflect for those it may apply to

I have receipts btw

Religions require a 'deity' - don't know of any that don't have one ... but other than that, you are quite correct.

I'm not religious, but I wouldn't dismiss anybody's beliefs either; partly because that would be disrespectful - but also a theory that the earth and it's lifeforms were born out of random particles colliding in space seems no more less likely (to me) than there being a 'creator' ... so I'm open minded - there are things beyond my comprehension - things I can't explain - but one thing that resonates is that, throughout our world, throughout known history - indigenous peoples all seem to have a 'creation myth' - stories and legends that existed for thousands of years before Christianity or Islam in places where people had never encountered each other.

 

[PINKIE]

Oliver to referee Ipswich v Southampton
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/articles/c0qw7kl5147o

They are just prepping him for his demotion to ref in the championship next season

 

[PINKIE]

Religions require a 'deity' - don't know of any that don't have one ... but other than that, you are quite correct.

I'm not religious, but I wouldn't dismiss anybody beliefs either; partly because that would be disrespectful - but also a theory that the earth and it's lifeforms were born out of random particles colliding in space seems no more less likely (to me) than there being a 'creator' ... so I'm open minded - there are things beyond my comprehension - things I can't explain - but one thing that resonates is that, throughout our world, throughout known history - indigenous peoples all seem to have a 'creation myth' - stories and legends that existed for thousands of years before Christianity or Islam in places where people had never encountered each other.

It is a case of more by design than by accident ?

Or is it that we wouldn't exist if these specific set of circumstances that gave life on Earth the chance to flourish, so wouldn't be here to ask these questions otherwise ?

 

[Sucky]

Ah cool, well everything is okay again then

I think we had 3 pgmol apologies last season

 

[PINKIE]

I think we had 3 pgmol apologies last season

I don't think they've apologised yet lol

 

[brb]

The products I used to sell at that event weren't specifically vegan, they just happen to be safe for vegans to eat as they don't have any animal products in them.

You know, kind of like Porridge isn't a 'vegan' food as such, but it just happens to be safe for vegans.

My work kitchen is separate from my kitchen at home, so I only use those utensils, work surfaces etc for my products. And yeah to operate commercially, you have to be strict as **** on hygiene and allergies etc.

I just thought the reasoning about the money thing was ridiculous, unless you want to take all of your money out of the bank (they don't only invest in non vegan stuff, but also into arms companies, big polluters etc etc) never shop in a supermarket ever again, never buy any insurance or have a pension etc as all of those things invest into questionable activities, let alone being non vegan. I just saw it as a self defeating isolationist stance to take

And I was ****ed off because that event was a good earner

Yeah I see it from your point of view, but I do also see it from the other perspective, maybe they just don't understand how strict you are at seperating the two. So do you just sell vegan ice cream or dairy ice cream as well, because if I was vegan that would open up a barrage of questions if you cater for both lol. Like I say mate, don't see it as a criticism of you, I just know how strict some vegans are, and the sort of questions you could get asked. I find the topic interesting, especially from a business point of view, and knowing the ins and outs of this stuff.

 

[Spurlock]

Religions require a 'deity' - don't know of any that don't have one ... but other than that, you are quite correct.

I'm not religious, but I wouldn't dismiss anybody beliefs either; partly because that would be disrespectful - but also a theory that the earth and it's lifeforms were born out of random particles colliding in space seems no more less likely (to me) than there being a 'creator' ... so I'm open minded - there are things beyond my comprehension - things I can't explain - but one thing that resonates is that, throughout our world, throughout known history - indigenous peoples all seem to have a 'creation myth' - stories and legends that existed for thousands of years before Christianity or Islam in places where people had never encountered each other.

That's because to my knowledge we have an innate need to worship...it's built into us like reproduction is.

You tell me the difference between a hardcore footy fan lauded by thousands for being a great fan, the best, the most commited and someone who follows an organised faith?

There is a place of worship...the temple or a stadium

There is a dress code...whatever organised religion attire or a football kit, football garments in certain colours

Religions have songs, prayers...footy fans display their loyalty with songs anti other teams or pro their own

Religions have a focal point...footy fans worship the players.

Religious extremists are violent...footy fans and footy history is riddled with violence driven by the love for their own 'club' call it their 'god'

It's inbuilt...there is an innate need to worship in order for a human to feel fulfilled...if they don't find God for whatever reason, they will find something else sooner or later and that is defined by how they see and treat that something.

 

[PINKIE]

Yeah I see it from your point of view, but I do also see it from the other perspective, maybe they just don't understand how strict you are at seperating the two. So do you just sell vegan ice cream or dairy ice cream as well, because if I was vegan that would open up a barrage of questions if you cater for both lol. Like I say mate, don't see it as a criticism of you, I just know how strict some vegans are, and the sort of questions you could get asked. I find the topic interesting, especially from a business point of view, and knowing the ins and outs of this stuff.

Yeah I do both, but I have a separate churning machine for the vegan stuff. (I've actually been fixing that today)

I get it that if you're vegan, you don't want any contamination with animal products.

But not spending £1 of any of your money on non vegan stuff I would imagine to be almost impossible, unless you want take all of your money out of the bank, and never use supermarkets etc ever again. Even down to your phone and internet provider, I would imagine that companies like Sky, EE, Vodaphone etc invest into companies that aren't exclusively vegan and their employees aren't 100% vegan either, so it's just a dead end stance to take.