Off Topic Weight loss injections

[Heimdallr]

Exactly
All they do is supress the hormones to not feel hungry in basic terms

What about when they stop?

And what long term side effects lol
Its meant for diabetes

Over-eating isn't just hormonal, it's related to habit, reward, feelings of being overfull and many other mentally-related issues. The injections can help break the cycle and then change the mental aspect of over eating.

Also, when dieting naturally, many hit a wall and give up, the injections work through this, get the user to their ideal weight and is better motivation to stay at it (as opposed to always fighting towards an unattainable goal).

They work, they have side effects - muscle wastage, loose skin and the ****s.

They're expensive, but then cheap compared to a lifetime of being overweight and the health issues related to it. If you put the weight back on in five years, you just cycle on in the injections again.

If you're losing weight naturally and not in a rush, then there's no need to pay for them.

 

[bradymk2]

Over-eating isn't just hormonal, it's related to habit, reward, feelings of being overfull and many other mentally-related issues. The injections can help break the cycle and then change the mental aspect of over eating.

Also, when dieting naturally, many hit a wall and give up, the injections work through this, get the user to their ideal weight and is better motivation to stay at it (as opposed to always fighting towards an unattainable goal).

They work, they have side effects - muscle wastage, loose skin and the ****s.

They're expensive, but then cheap compared to a lifetime of being overweight and the health issues related to it. If you put the weight back on in five years, you just cycle on in the injections again.

If you're losing weight naturally and not in a rush, then there's no need to pay for them.

21st century junkies

 

[Heimdallr]

21st century junkies

Using them as prevention is always going to be cheaper than the long term outcomes of diabetes, heart issues and the physical related problems with obesity.

Whilst the majority of ppl have office based jobs, sedentary lifestyles, cheap, sugary food pushed on us by the producers, it's an inevitable result and the injections are an immediate cure, so I am for the distribution and use of them.

 

[bradymk2]

Using them as prevention is always going to be cheaper than the long term outcomes of diabetes, heart issues and the physical related problems with obesity.

Whilst the majority of ppl have office based jobs, sedentary lifestyles, cheap, sugary food pushed on us by the producers, it's an inevitable result and the injections are an immediate cure, so I am for the distribution and use of them.

Its very cyberpunky aint it
Soon we will be offering heart transplants from walk in clinics

Maybe in 40 years

 

[Heimdallr]

Its a mega long topic
But it leads to normal lads doing them at age 16 etc

The amount of muscle you can gain naturally is just not even close to what celebrities and actors have etc

From my experience training 16-25 year olds, the issue is related to their illegality. Hollywood actors/celebrities/pro-sports ppl generally obtain them through legitimate doctors and so are taught how to use them properly and correctly cycle the usage - so they'll hit peak during filming and the media tour or game season, then cycle off out the public eye and allow the body to recover and hormone/testosterone levels to reset.

By the time they filter down to teenagers/twenties in a gym, they're injecting and swallowing whatever they can get their hands on and not being explained the safe(r) ways of using them, so generally abusing them or using incorrect amounts and combinations.

 

[bradymk2]

From my experience training 16-25 year olds, the issue is related to their illegality. Hollywood actors/celebrities/pro-sports ppl generally obtain them through legitimate doctors and so are taught how to use them properly and correctly cycle the usage - so they'll hit peak during filming and the media tour or game season, then cycle off out the public eye and allow the body to recover and hormone/testosterone levels to reset.

By the time they filter down to teenagers/twenties in a gym, they're injecting and swallowing whatever they can get their hands on and not being explained the safe(r) ways of using them, so generally abusing them or using incorrect amounts and combinations.

Yea but thats the point
They are influenced by these famous ****s
Who have doctors and scientists monitoring their use

But their insanely muscular bodies
Is what sells the films

 

[Heimdallr]

Yea but thats the point
They are influenced by these famous ****s
Who have doctors and scientists monitoring their use

But their insanely muscular bodies
Is what sells the films

The argument is that if they were made legal, but available through qualified and accountable 'distributors and prescribers', then it might be safer, more open knowledge and avoid the heart problems and testosterone crashes (and the numerous health problems men have with low levels) that are prevalent now.

The downsides are that you'd effectively be legitimising something that takes a few years of your life, but then cigarettes, alcohol and fast food are also legal.

 

[bradymk2]

The argument is that if they were made legal, but available through qualified and accountable 'distributors and prescribers', then it might be safer, more open knowledge and avoid the heart problems and testosterone crashes (and the numerous health problems men have with low levels) that are prevalent now.

The downsides are that you'd effectively be legitimising something that takes a few years of your life, but then cigarettes, alcohol and fast food are also legal.

Anabolic steroids are not healthy though
Even under medical supervision

They were created for some seriously nasty illnsesses

 

[Duke Silver]

I am lucky as everyday is active. According to my fitbit I usually burn 3500 plus calories on a daily basis.

That’s a lot of ****ing





people off..

 

[Howdentiger2]

Anabolic steroids are not healthy though
Even under medical supervision

They were created for some seriously nasty illnsesses

People will always use them though ( and other drugs ) so we should, imo make them legal and as safe as possible. But that's a whole different discussion.

 

[Heimdallr]

Anabolic steroids are not healthy though
Even under medical supervision

They were created for some seriously nasty illnsesses

For me, it depends how they're used (in a sporting/bodyscaping context as opposed to a medical need, of what I know nothing about). If they're used correctly for the periods that they're necessary, then tapered correctly, with the adequate rest periods between cycles, then the health issues are minimised.

The main (illegal) pro sporting usage of them is to help players come back from injury, repair and rebuild muscle quicker after a lay-off, rather than actually performance enhance. The decent, medical quality stuff available now is worlds apart from the tablets ppl were swallowing in the 70s to 90s.

Abuse of them certainly is unhealthy, but as HT2 posts, they're being used by a lot of ppl training, so maybe better to sell them legally with correct instructions. Then they're certainly less damaging than spending a weekend sat on a sofa gaming and drinking beer and eating pizza.

 

[bradymk2]

For me, it depends how they're used (in a sporting/bodyscaping context as opposed to a medical need, of what I know nothing about). If they're used correctly for the periods that they're necessary, then tapered correctly, with the adequate rest periods between cycles, then the health issues are minimised.

The main (illegal) pro sporting usage of them is to help players come back from injury, repair and rebuild muscle quicker after a lay-off, rather than actually performance enhance. The decent, medical quality stuff available now is worlds apart from the tablets ppl were swallowing in the 70s to 90s.

Abuse of them certainly is unhealthy, but as HT2 posts, they're being used by a lot of ppl training, so maybe better to sell them legally with correct instructions. Then they're certainly less damaging than spending a weekend sat on a sofa gaming and drinking beer and eating pizza.

I dont care if people use them
Its them that will 100% suffer the ill consequences

I like to know im natural and every bit of hard work was earnt

It is annoying though that im seen as less impressive

My weakness is
I still crave womens opinions lol

 

[tigers1970]

Eat less....booze less....run/walk/cycle more....easy as ****...no drugs needed..simple

 

[Heimdallr]

I dont care if people use them
Its them that will 100% suffer the ill consequences

I like to know im natural and every bit of hard work was earnt

It is annoying though that im seen as less impressive

My weakness is
I still crave womens opinions lol

Ha, the muscle/speed/skill is still natural - just the way of obtaining it has been enhanced. Same as if you take creatine or protein supplements, which most ppl who train do these times.

It's a complicated debate - I'm not 'pro' PEDs, but I'm not entirely 'anti'.

 

[bradymk2]

Ha, the muscle/speed/skill is still natural - just the way of obtaining it has been enhanced. Same as if you take creatine or protein supplements, which most ppl who train do these times.

It's a complicated debate - I'm not 'pro' PEDs, but I'm not entirely 'anti'.

Its not natural though
You cant get that amount of lean muscle mass in 1 year naturally

Its a 6 year job

Protein supplements is natural
You cant just over eat protein to gain more lean muscle

99% of people who use steroids do it for the aesthetic so its not against any rules

Its still cringe though imo

Brad pitt fight club
His body is seen as **** in 2024
But to get that body naturally

The work is ****ing insane

Its bonkers

 

[GLP]

Cheers Ric, it’s just hard work sometimes - this week was back on my salads for dinner and really hoped after Xmas binge, it would be a good week of 2/3 pounds off now ive cut the crap again and it was only 1 pound so a bit disheartening , haha , but I keep saying a pound a week over a year is a lot of weight I suppose .

You may have converted more muscle though. Hence the smaller than expected loss.

 

[Howdentiger2]

You may have converted more muscle though. Hence the smaller than expected loss.

Converted is probably the wrong way to describe it, he'll have gained muscle and lost fat, not converted fat to muscle..... Best thing to do for losing fat ( imo ) is buy a t-shirt and pair of jeans that you can't fit in them, ignore the scales and work on how they feel when you put them on, once you fit in them you might weigh exactly the same but your body composition will have changed.

 

[GLP]

Converted is probably the wrong way to describe it, he'll have gained muscle and lost fat, not converted fat to muscle..... Best thing to do for losing fat ( imo ) is buy a t-shirt and pair of jeans that you can't fit in them, ignore the scales and work on how they feel when you put them on, once you fit in them you might weigh exactly the same but your body composition will have changed.

I worked on belt holes, using the same belt. Bought a leather hole punch, so as the required size reduced, punched a new hole. It was pretty satisfying.

 

[Howdentiger2]

I worked on belt holes, using the same belt. Bought a leather hole punch, so as the required size reduced, punched a new hole. It was pretty satisfying.

I agree, way more satisfying then chasing a number IMO as, as you said, you can be gaining muscle which can look on the scales as a gain.... Id also massively recommend taking pics to judge progress of how your body is changing

 

[Des Head]

I agree, way more satisfying then chasing a number IMO as, as you said, you can be gaining muscle which can look on the scales as a gain.... Id also massively recommend taking pics to judge progress of how your body is changing

Mate, he's not going to send you photos of his muscly body so you may as well stop suggesting it.