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Discussion in 'Southampton' started by ChilcoSaint, Feb 23, 2016.

  1. It'sOnlyAGame

    It'sOnlyAGame Well-Known Member

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  2. ChilcoSaint

    ChilcoSaint What a disgrace
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    Such a reliable journalist
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  4. ChilcoSaint

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    Guido Fawkes, the Sun, Spiked, disclose TV and other media that are economic with the truth. What's next Signal?
     
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  6. ChilcoSaint

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    The problem seems to be that because of the loudmouths and opportunistic grifters who foul the airwaves with their utterly disgusting and misleading lies, the victims of grooming gangs are the only victims anyone is talking about right now. Of course they are important, but so are the hundreds of thousands of children being abused by people other than grooming gangs.

    The IICSA report estimates that 15% of girls and 5% of boys are sexually abused before the age of 16. That is a horrifying figure, and all of them, every single one, whether their abuser is a member of a Pakistani grooming gang, a teacher, a priest, a family member, or another child, deserve justice.

    If anyone thinks that constitutes defending rapists and *****philes they need to give their head a wobble.
     
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  7. It'sOnlyAGame

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    You've already lost the argument when your only defence is to try and discredit the source rather than what's being said. It's a common tactic used by those who can't see past their own prejudices.

    Spiked, by the way, has an article criticising Tommy Robinson. Should I dismiss that as made up **** as well?
     
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  8. ChilcoSaint

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    Please read my post above. I know you have good intentions but I implore you to get your facts straight.
     
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    Absolutely correct, grooming gangs are currently a twaXter trend and tory bandwagon. Why don't Muskrat et al get their teeth into the decades of institutional abuse that's still ongoing.
     
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    Burnham backs 'limited' national abuse inquiry

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cy09025erd3o

    The mayor told BBC Radio Manchester people were not required to give evidence to the review team, adding it was "appalling" that in the Rochdale review some police officers refused to take part.

    "There's a difference at a local level and a statutory public inquiry. There will always be limitations with what you can do with a local review. The review team could not compel someone to speak to them."

    "That is something I couldn't do at my level."
     
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    You do know which government she was referring to, right?
     
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    It may not suit your narrative but I expect you know that Starmer is considering a national inquiry but is prioritising implementation of the recommendations that the tories sat on for two years. You'll need a bigger spade as the hole gets deeper.
     
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    And for those still maintaining that there was a vote on a national inquiry yesterday, let’s look at those inconvenient facts.

    1. The substantive motion was to grant a Second Reading to the Children’s Wellbeing and Schools Bill.

    2. The Tories, supported by Reform and the DUP, lodged a wrecking amendment which included a call for a national inquiry into grooming gangs.

    3. If this amendment had passed, it would NOT have meant there would be a national inquiry, because Parliament doesn’t work like that. All that would have happened is that the CWS Bill would fall, leaving millions of vulnerable children unprotected by the improved measures in the Bill.

    4. Having lost the vote on the amendment, Reform tried to force a vote on the main motion, but didn’t realise they would have to provide tellers. The Bill gained a Second Reading without a vote.
     
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    That is a racist post. I’m deleting it, and count yourself lucky you haven’t been banned again.
     
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    I agree. However, just because you are brown/black/yellow/whatever, doesn't mean you are a foreigner.

    I think we all want people of any colour to not interfere with our children, but just because you are not white and fair skinned doesn't make you a foreigner.
     
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    That is not only a ridiculous accusation but deeply offensive. You are regularly posting comments that, if it were anyone else, would get you a ban. I call on you to remove your post with an apology but expect neither.
     
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    I agree and am aware that their are some generalisations that are used in comments that are not fair on others. I have been meaning to send you a pm to clarify my comments on this issue and will do when able.
    In the meantime, this is something that was shown to me today and fits in with what I believe to be true. Your roots may not be from the Sikh community but I feel this applies to you also.

     
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    Your post was racist. No apology from me.
     
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    I appreciate that you didn't mean it as i perceived it, but that is my point and also maybe why Chilcs deleted a post of yours. I say to my pale, white, blond wife that 'white' people just cannot see the casual racism that is all around us. She does it too without realising and i have to pull her up on it. I also think it is a generational thing, as in the 70s/80s it was everywhere. Even the TV was biased towards it (think Jim Davidson and 'chalkie' character, black and white minstrels, the golly wog etc).

    Growing up as a half Indian, half Italian person in a white world in the 70s and 80s, I did become accustomed to it, but thankfully it is less prevalent than it is now. This is where I dislike the Trumps of the world mainly. They have re-nomalised bad behaviour and casual racism. They use their power and for what of a better term, white privilege to put across their agenda. The implications are always that white is good and any other combination is bad.

    With respect to the integration into the community I am surprisingly 100% behind you and others. No area should be a 'no go' area, for whites or even non whites. My father is a Sikh, though he left India in the 60s, cut his hair, drank alcohol and then got an Italian girl pregnant in London. They then got married and moved to Italy for a few years, where I was made (lol yep I need a made in Italy stamp on me), then came back to Bournemouth. Maybe it was because I was a mixture of two very diverse cultures, but we had a very 'British' upbringing. I would in my teens visit cousins in Birmingham and was horrified how insular and not integrated at all they were - I could see the issues we have now. I am all for remembering your roots, embracing them and being proud of them, but also believe 'when in Rome'.

    By my family, I have often been told that I am far too right wing in some of my views for the colour of my skin, so I am no 'politically correct' leftie, I just feel that in 2025 we need to realise that black/white/brown etc are all the same AND equal. It is getting better, but not there yet.

    One of the best books that really brought it all home to me from a perspective of a black person was Michael Holding's excellent book "Why we kneel and how we rise". So much in there and I recommend it to any one.
     
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