**House Rules - Discussion and Debate thread**

[BrightLampShade]

I asked for no slagging off in an attempt to keep things constructive. Personal issues should be dealt with via pm with the member or a mod. I'm on my phone so I'll have to check what's been said later.

I'll start to summerise peoples views this week so if you have ideas get them down. It's nice when you have members who actually care about this board

 

[cosicave]

You know what? - I'd enjoy this forum a whole lot more if these squabbles didn't exist. I say this despite having recently allowed myself to be drawn into a complete waste of time.

The vitally important thing we should take from this important thread, is that it is not so much one's opinion but the manner* in which it is presented. And this is no mere coincidence of words.

All too often it is easy to feel 'attacked' by someone, which triggers an instinctive defence mechanism - itself likely to be perceived by the original 'attacker' as an attack, which then triggers his (this is almost exclusively a male trait) defensive reaction which is perceived as an attack; and so the cycle continues pointlessly and wastefully as a battle of egos, until one party has the sense and huge dignity to step back without further reaction. And, oddly enough, the 'winner' is the one who stands back and stops fighting!

This takes a great effort, especially when one feels personally attacked. I have also been guilty of 'defending myself too strongly', when I feel that I have been misunderstood or deliberately 'WUMmed'.

(AArgh! - how I detest that description ).
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But the strange thing is that the person who is first to 'step out of the ring', quickly gains an unspoken respect. This should not be the goal itself but it is an almost inevitable by-product of maturity.

P.S.* Manners maketh man. Good manners automatically gain respect and add weight to one's expressed view. Take care to be good-mannered.

 

[u408379965]

This is getting ridiculous now. Nobody else seems to have a problem with either RI or Miggins, so if you don't like each other you know where the ignore list is. If I have to delete another post from either of you bitching about the other it'll be an immediate cool off ban.

 

[Bergkamp a Dutch master]

Hmmm.... I decided not to bother with this site - about a week ago - after SO much ACRIMONY.
Just came back to look - and it seems worse. Convinces me.

 

[EternalMSC]

Hmmm.... I decided not to bother with this site - about a week ago - after SO much ACRIMONY.
Just came back to look - and it seems worse. Convinces me.

Stay away then, at-least try to contribute something positive to lighten things up here, I published stuff about the Race of Champions this weekend..
People need to start lifting their finger around here, say something positive or bugger off.
The mods are trying the best they can at the moment.
Be constructive, not destructive.

 

[DHCanary]

I thought the end of the season would mean we'd all get to know each other better, away from the heated discussions of race-days, and that we'd then all be more tolerant of each other when the 2012 season rolls around, but unfortunately this doesn't seem to be the case. Can't everyone just chill?

 

[Bergkamp a Dutch master]

Just 4 minutes to attack me again?

 

[Max Whiplash]

Personally, I think it's important not to bear grudges and better not to allow them to build up in the first place. I think we all have disagreements sometimes, I know I have but they've been with people who I agree with on other occasions; better to remember the common ground. There's no point in pursuing a feud, it doesn't just make the participants look stupid but it affects other users too, and probably puts off a fair few potential members.

No one is right all the time and often there is no 'right', only opinions. Better to agree to disagree and move on.

 

[El_Bando]

maybe we should do a secret santa

 

[BrightLampShade]

Personally, I think it's important not to bear grudges and better not to allow them to build up in the first place. I think we all have disagreements sometimes, I know I have but they've been with people who I agree with on other occasions; better to remember the common ground. There's no point in pursuing a feud, it doesn't just make the participants look stupid but it affects other users too, and probably puts off a fair few potential members.

No one is right all the time and often there is no 'right', only opinions. Better to agree to disagree and move on.

Well said

 

[cosicave]

Stay away then, at-least try to contribute something positive to lighten things up here, I published stuff about the Race of Champions this weekend..
People need to start lifting their finger around here, say something positive or bugger off.
The mods are trying the best they can at the moment.
Be constructive, not destructive.

This comment is not the least bit constructive is it?

 

[martial artist]

I asked for no slagging off in an attempt to keep things constructive. Personal issues should be dealt with via pm with the member or a mod. I'm on my phone so I'll have to check what's been said later.

I'll start to summerise peoples views this week so if you have ideas get them down. It's nice when you have members who actually care about this board

the root of all the little squabbles on here begins when people are over protective about there favourite driver ,i saw exactly the same on the old bbc 606 and to a lesser extent i see the same here ,
for some unfathomable reason people very often take it personally if others dare to have an objective opinion about whatever driver ,

not all of us are going to like schumacher , hamilton , alonso , button , or whoever but why is there a need to let it become personal just because different members have different opinions on whatever driver ,

it also does not help when people talk down to each other on completly unrelated to F1 matters such as spelling errors or bringing over there petty squabbles from a different forum as i have seen on here ,

some of us are aggresive when we debate F1 and like to prove a point and there is nothing wrong with that , the trouble is caused when people take it personally and bring unrelated and personal rubbish to a formula 1 debate --
stamp out the unrelated stuff and stick to formula 1 and everybody will get along in relative peace and harmony --

 

[EternalMSC]

This comment is not the least bit constructive is it?

Better than this pointless one I quoted.

 

[WestCoastBoogaloo]

Ah well you're rubber and he's glue.

Manny, it's slightly hypocritical to tell someone to be 'positive' and to post something 'constructive' and also tell them to 'bugger off'.

Do you not see the irony?

 

[EternalMSC]

Ah well you're rubber and he's glue.

Manny, it's slightly hypocritical to tell someone to be 'positive' and to post something 'constructive' and also tell them to 'bugger off'.

Do you not see the irony?

Basically I said bugger off or be positive/constructive, because we are all collectively down at the moment, there is no need to make it obvious.

 

[BrightLampShade]

Right, what I've picked up so far (yes I read 75 posts...)

-more 'proactive' Moderation
-Same level of moderation
-delete more of the anti-"Driver A" comments that don't really have much substance
-Issues with drivers being dragged into threads for no reason
-Merge more threads
-Deal with the lack of respect between members
-More Moderation interaction when posts are deleted
-differences should not be personalised against members
-Inability of some members to not rise to comments they don't like (bait)
-More mod action on slagging matches, warning then cool down bans?

 

[cosicave]

Better than this pointless one I quoted.

The point to my comment was that your example was precisely how to alienate someone by personalising it and then telling them what to do, as Westy has pointed out (quoted below).

Ah well you're rubber and he's glue.

Manny, it's slightly hypocritical to tell someone to be 'positive' and to post something 'constructive' and also tell them to 'bugger off'.

Do you not see the irony?

Basically I said bugger off or be positive/constructive, because we are all collectively down at the moment, there is no need to make it obvious.

Put yourself in Bergy's shoes for a moment. Consider the reaction you are likely going to get by telling someone to "bugger off"! Regardless of how you meant your personalised comment to be understood, it was disrespectful and rude. And suggesting that my comment was "pointless" was also dismissive, disrespectful and rude.

If you'd left out the dismissive insult to another member, your comment would have looked far more respectful and may even have been taken as the positive thing you intended. Instead, you simply undermined what you were really trying to say!

 

[beeforsalmon]

I haven't contributed to the F1 forum that long but one I'd suggest from the relative short time I've been on, would be the permanent banning of repeated offenders. I only mean those offenders who already have been given cool down bans and yet return to the forum with the seemingly sole intention of creating friction and disagreement between members. The vast majority of us only wish to discuss the sport and can accept some form of banter about our favourite / least favourite driver or teams etc What surely no-one wants to have to put up with are repeated offenders coming back here and constantly trying to antagonise / offend the majority of users here. These users should be banned for good and not be permitted to ruin the enjoyment of the majority.

 

[cosicave]

I haven't contributed to the F1 frum that long but one I'd suggest from the relative short time I've been on, would be permanent banning of repeated offenders. I only mean those offenders who already have been given cool down bans and yet return to forum with the seemingly sole intention of creating friction and disagreement between members. The vast majority of us only wish to discuss the sport and can accept some form of banter about our favourite / least favourite driver or teams etc What surely no-one wants to have to put up with are repeated offenders coming back here and constantly trying to antagonise / offend the majority of users here. These users should be banned for good and not be permitted to ruin the enjoyment of the majority.

Very well said Beef.
I could not agree more!

 

[EternalMSC]

The point to my comment was that your example was precisely how to alienate someone by personalising it and then telling them what to do, as Westy has pointed out (quoted below).





Put yourself in Bergy's shoes for a moment. Consider the reaction you are likely going to get by telling someone to "bugger off"! Regardless of how you meant your personalised comment to be understood, it was disrespectful and rude. And suggesting that my comment was "pointless" was also dismissive, disrespectful and rude.

If you'd left out the dismissive insult to another member, your comment would have looked far more respectful and may even have been taken as the positive thing you intended. Instead, you simply undermined what you were really trying to say!

Fair enough.