Off Topic The Pyramids and Stone henge

[DH4]

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Probably used the same method as Cathedral builders used, pulleys. Durham cathedral is a thousand year old for example.

 

[flandersmackem]

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[rooch 3]

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The problem with that is the maths.
Take a Normal man 6ft and 12 stone he can lift 150lbs and move it ok.
A two and a half ton stone is approx 6000lb
6000 div by 150 = 40
So the giant would need to be
40 X12 =480 stone in weight and 240 ft high the same height as Canterbury Cathedral, next question how would you feed thousands of them buggers
Now if they were Aliens that’s a different matter they might only be 3” tall and have the strength of a 1000 men.
Anyway that’s why I stopped thinking about it

PS Durham Cathedral is 218ft high the great pyramid is 450. That’s a long way to hoist a 2ton + stone.

 

[Evil Jimmy Krankie]

A few things baffled me when I used to think about it, so I stopped thinking about it
If they are so intelligent and can travel 50,000 miles to get here and can build pyramids, why do they write with a chisel and a hammer. If they were wiped out suddenly or decided to suddenly go home, why are there no pyramids partly constructed with all their tools lying around them. The maths for the giant theory just doesn’t make any sense.

I think you’ve done a misprint. 50000 miles doesn’t even get you anywhere near our moon. 50 million miles doesn’t get us out of the solar system. Gets you about a third of the way to Mars. 50 billion miles will get you to the edge of the solar system. 50 trillion miles gets you to our nearest extra solar star Proxima Centauri. After that the numbers are just to big.

 

[Juanito Caminante]

Im not sure if its my age catching up with me, but ive been really thinking in depth these last few weeks about the Pyramids and Stone henge and im at a complete loss, so im hoping someone on here can shed abit of light for me or give me their

How the feck did men/women build the pyramids all them centuries ago with no lifting equipment and get them so aligned perfectly?
The four faces of an Egyptian pyramid are precisely aligned with the four cardinal points of the compass, how did they manage to do this, and how would they know about North, east, West and South over 4000 years ago?

Moving onto Stone henge. What is its purpose, and why would men go to so much trouble lifting large Stones on top of eachother?
I read the rocks are actually from Scotland, so for some unknown reason people decided to transport these huge rocks all the way from Scotland, to the opposite end of the country to build Stone henge? How did they get them there and why?

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Stone Henge is relatively ‘new’.
Gobelkli Tepe in Turkey is over 5,000 years older and way more impressive - it was constructed around 11,000 years ago!
They reckon around 95% of that site is still to be unearthed!!

 

[rooch 3]

I think you’ve done a misprint. 50000 miles doesn’t even get you anywhere near our moon. 50 million miles doesn’t get us out of the solar system. Gets you about a third of the way to Mars. 50 billion miles will get you to the edge of the solar system. 50 trillion miles gets you to our nearest extra solar star Proxima Centauri. After that the numbers are just to big.

Aye misprint, I should of read it first

 

[alcoauth]

Ancient people were more advanced than most laymen believe, not in an Ipads and Electric Vehicles way obviously, but society will move technology forward very quickly in very narrow avenues where there is reward to be had. If these monuments had some kind of societal or religious meaning that is your motivation right there.

 

[The Norton Cat]

I believe current thinking is thaf they used big ramps and sleds to build the pyramids. There are depictions of the ramps in certain places, remains of probable ramps have been found at Giza, and at an unfinished temple. Egyptology isn't my area so I'm not fully up to speed on the latest with it.

 

[rooch 3]

Stone Henge is relatively ‘new’.
Gobelkli Tepe in Turkey is over 5,000 years older and way more impressive - it was constructed around 11,000 years ago!
They reckon around 95% of that site is still to be unearthed!!

There’s a lass who is a scientist and at the minute she is flying in a plane over the area where the pyramids are with a camera that detects pyramids under the sand, she reckons there is loads of them under ( she reckons mind boggling amounts) and some make the great pyramid very small.

 

[The Norton Cat]

There’s a lass who is a scientist and at the minute she is flying in a plane over the area where the pyramids are with a camera that detects pyramids under the sand, she reckons there is loads of them under ( she reckons mind boggling amounts) and some make the great pyramid very small.

Are you referring to LiDAR? They've surveyed large parts of the Nile valley and have made some interesting discoveries. LiDAR is being used to identify sites everywhere.

 

[alcoauth]

The way they lived their lives was just different and they were prepared to spend long periods building these things. They were more than capable of building all of these monuments

I remember reading that when they built one of the Ivy League schools (I forget which) in the colonial period, one of the libraries had a beautiful and very elaborate staircase and balcony carved from a single piece of oak, about 200 years later when the wood was beyond repair they started to dismantle it and within they found elaborate instructions on how to rebuild and care for the replacement and which part of the grounds they had planted the specific trees that could be used to replace it, estimating that it would be 200 years later and the trees would be ready.

I feel like the short term thinking we have now is a very modern affliction.

 

[rooch 3]

Are you referring to LiDAR? They've surveyed large parts of the Nile valley and have made some interesting discoveries. LiDAR is being used to identify sites everywhere.

I don’t know mate, I just saw her on a program talking about what they had found and how they were trying to get permission to have a closer look but I don’t think the government whoever it was, was very keen on letting them.

 

[FellTop]

There’s a lass who is a scientist and at the minute she is flying in a plane over the area where the pyramids are with a camera that detects pyramids under the sand, she reckons there is loads of them under ( she reckons mind boggling amounts) and some make the great pyramid very small.

There are pyramids to be found all over the world. Biggest in Mexico.

The oldest, according to conventional wisdom is Djosser in Egypt. There is one in Peru (I think) built roughly the same century. I wonder how in two different parts of the world, so long ago, similar structures were being built? Who, I wonder, was the originator of the idea and design?

 

[Evil Jimmy Krankie]

There are pyramids to be found all over the world. Biggest in Mexico.

The oldest, according to conventional wisdom is Djosser in Egypt. There is one in Peru (I think) built roughly the same century. I wonder how in two different parts of the world, so long ago, similar structures were being built? Who, I wonder, was the originator of the idea and design?

There doesn’t always have to be only one originator does there? The same concept could have been thought up entirely independently by many people in different parts of the world at the same time.

 

[Juanito Caminante]

There are pyramids to be found all over the world. Biggest in Mexico.

The oldest, according to conventional wisdom is Djosser in Egypt. There is one in Peru (I think) built roughly the same century. I wonder how in two different parts of the world, so long ago, similar structures were being built? Who, I wonder, was the originator of the idea and design?

They are in every continent, including Antarctica.
The time in which they were built, it’s impossible to imagine that people in China were in contact with people in Peru, for example.
So, as you say, why did people all across the globe begin building the same thing, at the same time, completely independently of one another?

 

[FellTop]

There doesn’t always have to be only one originator does there? The same concept could have been thought up entirely independently by many people in different parts of the world at the same time.

I suppose so. Would be quite a coincidence I think.

 

[alcoauth]

There doesn’t always have to be only one originator does there? The same concept could have been thought up entirely independently by many people in different parts of the world at the same time.

I think the Hancock theory is that there was a sort of global progenitor race, who brought a specific culture to the world in a sort of imperial way, as far as I'm aware the theory is that these people only exist now in the genetics of all global populations in trace amounts, I don't think the skin colour or continental origins is ever explicitly stated, I think this is what Norton was touching on.

 

[FellTop]

Stone Henge is relatively ‘new’.
Gobelkli Tepe in Turkey is over 5,000 years older and way more impressive - it was constructed around 11,000 years ago!
They reckon around 95% of that site is still to be unearthed!!

I think with Stonehenge the site itself is much older. I cant quite recall the details but I think prior to the stone circles there were wooden post circles and man made henges.

 

[alcoauth]

I think with Stonehenge the site itself is much older. I cant quite recall the details but I think prior to the stone circles there were wooden post circles and man made henges.

A lot of old sites are build upon even older ones, they replaced pagan temple sites by building churches on top of them etc so I assume that sort of process is much older than Christianity and previous civilisations also did it to each other, when people start digging these old sites they start finding older structures and the dating gets muddled.

 

[E.T. Fairfax]

I'd like to know how, if you transpose a satellite image over the top of an 1860's ordinance survey map, it is absolutely spot on.

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