Election 2024

[PINKIE]

Absolutely mate.

It’s going to be an emotive subject that everyone should tread carefully with because they’ll be arguments from both sides of the coin.

For me, I watched my Dad who never showed a flicker of emotion his whole life screaming out in pain during the last 6 weeks, so I knew it was bad. At this point, he was in a bed, couldn’t even swing his legs out and stand up straight. He couldn’t go to the toilet, nothing. At this point he was literally just lying looking at the ceiling waiting to die but had to suffer the pain until that happened.

It doesn’t seem right or fair, to me, that a government or anyone has the right to deny us shortening our deaths and avoiding the unnecessary pain.

I hear you.

My old man had dementia and at the end his brain function was so degraded that it could no longer send the signals to his body to swallow. So when people were trying to feed him, he would just aspirate it (go into his lungs). From that point he could no longer eat or drink, he was on a drip for a week and then the decision was made to withdraw that and send him to a nursing home to die.

I thought people died after around 3-4 days with no fluids, but my old man went on for 10 days, most of the time he was sedated so he wasn't in any obvious pain or discomfort, but his quality of life was zero. At that point, although he was no longer able to make any decisions for himself, I had power of attorney and if that had the option to end his life I would have. At one point I even thought about putting a pillow over his face and ending it, but I know that would have ended up with me on a murder charge.

I totally understand that there are people who are completely opposed to this though, and I respect that too.

 

[brb]

I'm against assisted dying and can't be arsed today, other than to say, I don't believe you can use it for dementia or any illnesses of the brain. There are very few circumstances you can use it, and even then you have to go through the court, so someone going on for 10 days as in Piskie's scenario I doubt would be allowed to apply it even without dementia.

I expect the only way your case would get a decision quickly is if you declare you are a far right supporter.

 

[brb]

Just quickly copied this from an AI Overview...

No, assisted dying is not applied in the UK for people with dementia because they are unlikely to meet the legal requirements:

• Capacity: The patient must be able to understand the decision to die. In the later stages of dementia, it can be difficult to convince a doctor that a patient has the capacity to make this decision.
  
  
• Prognosis: The patient must have a prognosis of six months or less.
  
  
• Voluntary: The patient must convince a doctor that their decision is voluntary.
  
  
• Unbearable suffering: The patient must convince a doctor that their life is one of "unbearable suffering without prospect of improvement".
  
  
• No reasonable alternative: The patient must convince a doctor that there is "no reasonable alternative".
  
  

However, people with dementia can make an advance decision to refuse life-sustaining treatments. This decision must be written down, signed by the individual, and signed by a witness.

 

[Archers Road]

I'm against assisted dying and can't be arsed today, other than to say, I don't believe you can use it for dementia or any illnesses of the brain. There are very few circumstances you can use it, and even then you have to go through the court, so someone going on for 10 days as in Piskie's scenario I doubt would be allowed to apply it even without dementia.

I expect the only way your case would get a decision quickly is if you declare you are a far right supporter.

I would be willing to assist Nigel Farage if he ever needs help with dying

 

[brb]

I would be willing to assist Nigel Farage if he ever needs help with dying

You're not allowed to assist him, sorry mate.

 

[Archers Road]

You're not allowed to assist him, sorry mate.

Can't even lob a milkshake at him without the risk of going to jail. Political Correctness gone mad imo.

 

[Solid Air]

Just quickly copied this from an AI Overview...

No, assisted dying is not applied in the UK for people with dementia because they are unlikely to meet the legal requirements:

• Capacity: The patient must be able to understand the decision to die. In the later stages of dementia, it can be difficult to convince a doctor that a patient has the capacity to make this decision.
  
  
• Prognosis: The patient must have a prognosis of six months or less.
  
  
• Voluntary: The patient must convince a doctor that their decision is voluntary.
  
  
• Unbearable suffering: The patient must convince a doctor that their life is one of "unbearable suffering without prospect of improvement".
  
  
• No reasonable alternative: The patient must convince a doctor that there is "no reasonable alternative".
  

However, people with dementia can make an advance decision to refuse life-sustaining treatments. This decision must be written down, signed by the individual, and signed by a witness.

Nothing in the Bill regarding "unbearable suffering" .Though i fully expect that if the Bill is enacted that will be the first first step on the slippery slope .
God knows where they are going to get the medical professionals to deliver the drugs and assist in the administering of the drugs

 

[brb]

Nothing in the Bill regarding "unbearable suffering" .Though i fully expect that if the Bill is enacted that will be the first first step on the slippery slope .
God knows where they are going to get the medical professionals to deliver the drugs and assist in the administering of the drugs

Very slippery slope. If it was left to the last Tory government we'd have had no pensioners left in care homes during covid. If people were outraged during party party, never forget you are worthless to the powers that be, and when the NHS finally collapses, you will just be a number to be assisted in dying. You don't have a choice about coming into this world, thus you shouldn't have a choice leaving it and even if you wanted to make a loved one less sufferable, you'll probably find the law will not cover it, and thus you open the Pandora's box, humans cannot and should not be trusted.

 

[Sucky]

Is reading fosse posts enough to get assisted suicide?

 

[Solid Air]

Is reading fosse posts enough to get assisted suicide?

 

[brb]

Scottish Government allocates £20M for winter fuel benefit in what I think is a total package of £40M allocated, the other being the household support fund, this stated as a response to Labour stopping pensioner payments, stating we will not abandon pensioners this winter, putting the blame at the feet of both the Tories and Labour. It's also claimed they received no responses from the UK government to their letters. Scottish Labour not happy in the Scottish parliament, stating it was previously said you didn't have the money to do this...argument now kicked off, words being exchanged lol. In short fook the English.

 

[brb]

Did anyone see how much the Tories spent on asylum last year, over £5B to operate what Starmer called an open borders policy. £5B ffs.

 

[duggie2000]

I hear you.

My old man had dementia and at the end his brain function was so degraded that it could no longer send the signals to his body to swallow. So when people were trying to feed him, he would just aspirate it (go into his lungs). From that point he could no longer eat or drink, he was on a drip for a week and then the decision was made to withdraw that and send him to a nursing home to die.

I thought people died after around 3-4 days with no fluids, but my old man went on for 10 days, most of the time he was sedated so he wasn't in any obvious pain or discomfort, but his quality of life was zero. At that point, although he was no longer able to make any decisions for himself, I had power of attorney and if that had the option to end his life I would have. At one point I even thought about putting a pillow over his face and ending it, but I know that would have ended up with me on a murder charge.

I totally understand that there are people who are completely opposed to this though, and I respect that too.

Both my Mothers in Law died from cancer and we think/know that right at the end when they had suffered enough their doctors gave them enough pain relief to allow them to just drift of into a peaceful sleep they did not wake up from, assisted dying or just human compassion

 

[Archers Road]

Both my Mothers in Law died from cancer and we think/know that right at the end when they had suffered enough their doctors gave them enough pain relief to allow them to just drift of into a peaceful sleep they did not wake up from, assisted dying or just human compassion

Was that before Harold Shipman? GPs have a lot less freedom since he was exposed

 

[duggie2000]

Was that before Harold Shipman? GPs have a lot less freedom since he was exposed

First one was 1969 and second was 1988 so yes,

 

[FosseFilberto]

Is reading fosse posts enough to get assisted suicide?

One - not convinced you can read

Two - you don't have to read them - you are not a number Sucky, you are a free man ...

Although, if you were a number, I suspect you'd be a number two...for some reason

 

[Archers Road]

First one was 1969 and second was 1988 so yes,

Yeah, I think they’re much more wary of doing that sort of thing now

 

[Chief]

Both my Mothers in Law died from cancer and we think/know that right at the end when they had suffered enough their doctors gave them enough pain relief to allow them to just drift of into a peaceful sleep they did not wake up from, assisted dying or just human compassion

Yes, they did that with my Dad too, I'm 99% certain.

He was at home and we had visiting nurses. He was clearly at the end, and when they came round they went into his room and administered morphine.

I went in after and he'd gone. It was no coincidence, and it was the right thing to do.

 

[Chief]

Yeah, I think they’re much more wary of doing that sort of thing now

Mine was 2019 so not that long back.

 

[Sucky]

One - not convinced you can read

Two - you don't have to read them - you are not a number Sucky, you are a free man ...

Although, if you were a number, I suspect you'd be a number two...for some reason

You really took that in your stride mate