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Election 2024

Discussion in 'The Premier League' started by brb, Jan 18, 2024.

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How are Labour doing after their first 12 months

  1. Give Keir a dinghy

    33.3%
  2. The Afghans are coming

    16.7%
  3. Duggie wants his winter fuel payment back

    22.2%
  4. BobbyD to take over

    38.9%
  5. Tax, tax, tax and more ****ing tax coming

    11.1%
  6. We want Farage...

    5.6%
  7. Stop the triple lock

    16.7%
  8. Leave my pension alone

    22.2%
  9. brb is **** at polls

    38.9%
  10. Sucky is an Afghan

    61.1%
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  1. PINKIE

    PINKIE Wurzel Gummidge

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    I hear you.

    My old man had dementia and at the end his brain function was so degraded that it could no longer send the signals to his body to swallow. So when people were trying to feed him, he would just aspirate it (go into his lungs). From that point he could no longer eat or drink, he was on a drip for a week and then the decision was made to withdraw that and send him to a nursing home to die.

    I thought people died after around 3-4 days with no fluids, but my old man went on for 10 days, most of the time he was sedated so he wasn't in any obvious pain or discomfort, but his quality of life was zero. At that point, although he was no longer able to make any decisions for himself, I had power of attorney and if that had the option to end his life I would have. At one point I even thought about putting a pillow over his face and ending it, but I know that would have ended up with me on a murder charge.

    I totally understand that there are people who are completely opposed to this though, and I respect that too.
     
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  2. brb

    brb CR250

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    I'm against assisted dying and can't be arsed today, other than to say, I don't believe you can use it for dementia or any illnesses of the brain. There are very few circumstances you can use it, and even then you have to go through the court, so someone going on for 10 days as in Piskie's scenario I doubt would be allowed to apply it even without dementia.

    I expect the only way your case would get a decision quickly is if you declare you are a far right supporter. :bandit:
     
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  3. brb

    brb CR250

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    Just quickly copied this from an AI Overview...

    No, assisted dying is not applied in the UK for people with dementia because they are unlikely to meet the legal requirements:


    • Capacity: The patient must be able to understand the decision to die. In the later stages of dementia, it can be difficult to convince a doctor that a patient has the capacity to make this decision.

    • Prognosis: The patient must have a prognosis of six months or less.

    • Voluntary: The patient must convince a doctor that their decision is voluntary.

    • Unbearable suffering: The patient must convince a doctor that their life is one of "unbearable suffering without prospect of improvement".

    • No reasonable alternative: The patient must convince a doctor that there is "no reasonable alternative".

    However, people with dementia can make an advance decision to refuse life-sustaining treatments. This decision must be written down, signed by the individual, and signed by a witness.
     
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  4. Archers Road

    Archers Road Urban Spaceman

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    I would be willing to assist Nigel Farage if he ever needs help with dying <ok>
     
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  5. brb

    brb CR250

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    You're not allowed to assist him, sorry mate. <laugh>
     
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  6. Archers Road

    Archers Road Urban Spaceman

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    Can't even lob a milkshake at him without the risk of going to jail. Political Correctness gone mad imo.
     
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  7. Solid Air 2

    Solid Air 2 Well-Known Member

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    Nothing in the Bill regarding "unbearable suffering" .Though i fully expect that if the Bill is enacted that will be the first first step on the slippery slope .
    God knows where they are going to get the medical professionals to deliver the drugs and assist in the administering of the drugs
     
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  8. brb

    brb CR250

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    Very slippery slope. If it was left to the last Tory government we'd have had no pensioners left in care homes during covid. If people were outraged during party party, never forget you are worthless to the powers that be, and when the NHS finally collapses, you will just be a number to be assisted in dying. You don't have a choice about coming into this world, thus you shouldn't have a choice leaving it and even if you wanted to make a loved one less sufferable, you'll probably find the law will not cover it, and thus you open the Pandora's box, humans cannot and should not be trusted.
     
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  9. Sucky

    Sucky peoples champ & forum saviour

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    Is reading fosse posts enough to get assisted suicide?
     
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  10. Solid Air 2

    Solid Air 2 Well-Known Member

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    <laugh>
     
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  11. brb

    brb CR250

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    Scottish Government allocates £20M for winter fuel benefit in what I think is a total package of £40M allocated, the other being the household support fund, this stated as a response to Labour stopping pensioner payments, stating we will not abandon pensioners this winter, putting the blame at the feet of both the Tories and Labour. It's also claimed they received no responses from the UK government to their letters. Scottish Labour not happy in the Scottish parliament, stating it was previously said you didn't have the money to do this...argument now kicked off, words being exchanged lol. In short fook the English. <laugh>
     
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  12. brb

    brb CR250

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    Did anyone see how much the Tories spent on asylum last year, over £5B to operate what Starmer called an open borders policy. £5B ffs.
     
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    Both my Mothers in Law died from cancer and we think/know that right at the end when they had suffered enough their doctors gave them enough pain relief to allow them to just drift of into a peaceful sleep they did not wake up from, assisted dying or just human compassion
     
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  14. Archers Road

    Archers Road Urban Spaceman

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    Was that before Harold Shipman? GPs have a lot less freedom since he was exposed
     
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  15. duggie2000

    duggie2000 Well-Known Member

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    First one was 1969 and second was 1988 so yes,
     
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  16. FosseFilberto

    FosseFilberto Pizzeria Superiore and some ...
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    One - not convinced you can read

    Two - you don't have to read them - you are not a number Sucky, you are a free man ...

    Although, if you were a number, I suspect you'd be a number two...for some reason <whistle>
     
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  17. Archers Road

    Archers Road Urban Spaceman

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    Yeah, I think they’re much more wary of doing that sort of thing now
     
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  18. Chief

    Chief Northern Simpleton
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    Yes, they did that with my Dad too, I'm 99% certain.

    He was at home and we had visiting nurses. He was clearly at the end, and when they came round they went into his room and administered morphine.

    I went in after and he'd gone. It was no coincidence, and it was the right thing to do.
     
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  19. Chief

    Chief Northern Simpleton
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    Mine was 2019 so not that long back.
     
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  20. Sucky

    Sucky peoples champ & forum saviour

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    You really took that in your stride mate <laugh>
     
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