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Walter Out
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As I posted that...
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I agree with those that say the players we have particularly in the back line, apart from Hughes, are just not good enough with their passing to execute his style. Hence, why it is so slow from the back, as they just pass sideways rather than forward through midfield. This also gives the opposition time to get back behind the ball, and why we then struggle to break them down.
We are missing badly Millar and Belloumi though, but even so, this still doesn't rectify the basic problem as above.
Simons is not a bad player, but we need better than him in that position, Alzate may well fill that role, but we just need to get him up to speed.
We just need to bring someone in that can play players in a way that suits them, not play a system that is alien to them.
I hope Acun's remarks on RH were just to keep positivity for the last night game, but in reality he needs to put TW out of his misery.
Just listened to Baz post match comments, he thinks Acun will sack him, either before or just after Boro.
We are missing badly Millar and Belloumi though, but even so, this still doesn't rectify the basic problem as above.
Simons is not a bad player, but we need better than him in that position, Alzate may well fill that role, but we just need to get him up to speed.
We just need to bring someone in that can play players in a way that suits them, not play a system that is alien to them.
I hope Acun's remarks on RH were just to keep positivity for the last night game, but in reality he needs to put TW out of his misery.
Just listened to Baz post match comments, he thinks Acun will sack him, either before or just after Boro.
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I’ve always been an advocate for giving a manager until Christmas, however this situation has become untenable.
A lot of people are starting to turn on Acun - yet I do believe if he’d sacked him last month, there would be many saying this club is a circus. The truth is, it’s a grey area. But he needs to go now. I hope for Tim Walter and the club, the rumours are true.
A lot of people are starting to turn on Acun - yet I do believe if he’d sacked him last month, there would be many saying this club is a circus. The truth is, it’s a grey area. But he needs to go now. I hope for Tim Walter and the club, the rumours are true.
Genuine question, is ffp an obstacle in getting rid of Walt? Paying off him and his team will be expensive. The EFL are monitoring our finances and not allowing us to increase our debt unchecked. Are we in a position whereby we have to wait until January to offload before we can pay the settlements?
Just hold our horses for a few days.
This guy could be available soon...
https://www.bbc.com/sport/football/articles/cvgkxvx4z2go.amp
This guy could be available soon...
https://www.bbc.com/sport/football/articles/cvgkxvx4z2go.amp
We're currently below a side managed by Wayne Rooney. That's how bad it is
It was the kind of ****-or-bust decision that you get in the last 5 minutes of an FA Cup Final or from a bloke that knows the game's up.
Exactly this
There’s plenty to beat Walter with but the decision to take off a defender and sling another forward on isn’t one of them
You either put the defender up front or take him off and sling a centre forward on which he did
The substitution wasn’t the problem (although personally I’d have left Hughes on and taken Jones off) The problem was that there was no defensive plan or shape to play with 3 at the back.
They looked like a team that had never done it before.
In terms of points per game rankings, Walter (0.88) sits immediately below Slutsky (0.90), and immediately above Phil Parkinson (0.88), Mark Hateley (0.86), and Jan Mølby (0.82).
All of those managers had longer tenures than Walter, except for Mølby the who lasted 17 league games. The same Walter has, so far.
Walter would have to remain in charge and lose the next two games for his points per game return to be worse than Mølby’s.
I know some people will say that these managers were in charge in different leagues so it’s unfair to compare, however, the points per game needed to compete for a play-off spot is pretty consistent across all the divisions, being around 1.6 points per game. In doesn’t matter which league they were in, they were all bad at the job they had at the time.
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It’s pretty common consensus that the sackings of Slutsky, Parkinson, Hateley and Molby were correct so this says a lot about Walter.
I don’t buy this idea that the defence aren’t good enough.
They are playing in a system which leaves them
completely exposed and then asked to be the creators.
It’s ridiculous that Coyle, Jones and Drameh are the ones that are carrying the load and seeing all of the ball.
And what happens when they do have the ball? The rest of the team push high up and stand in a line not moving, so they have to go left to right and right to left because what else is there?
In the first 10 minutes we actually played some decent switches into the corners but for some reason that was stopped.
This defence would be fine in a different set up.
They are playing in a system which leaves them
completely exposed and then asked to be the creators.
It’s ridiculous that Coyle, Jones and Drameh are the ones that are carrying the load and seeing all of the ball.
And what happens when they do have the ball? The rest of the team push high up and stand in a line not moving, so they have to go left to right and right to left because what else is there?
In the first 10 minutes we actually played some decent switches into the corners but for some reason that was stopped.
This defence would be fine in a different set up.
Acun getting called on various threads, especially the match thread just now (putting this on here as it's not really match related).
Yes, he's made mistakes. No question.
But, how much has he been let down by his 'brains team' and Tan? I would say that's where the biggest blame lies.
They are the ones that do the analysis, identify players, identify managers (*), sort deals, etc etc. (* bar Shota at the start, before the current 'brains trust' was established?).
Acun has of course been directly involved in bringing a small handful of players in during his time so far, fair enough, but not the bulk. He's also worked hard to get deals over the line when needed.
It's clear Acun expected the 'brains trust' and Tan to crack on during summer but they failed miserably, and to be fair he had already said he was still fully committed but had to share his time (businesses & Fener). Then towards the end of the window Acun had no choice but to get back hands on once again. It seems Tan has done something to screw him, whether that's money or performance wise (or both). It seems highly unlikely to me that Acun would have identify Walter himself and then gone against advice of his team; it more like came from them following a brief and he supported it.
I agree with those saying he should install a DoF and let them get on with it. Isn't that pretty much what he was expecting Tan and the 'brains team' to be / do?
I'm a little surprised he still talks so positively about this 'brains team' ... or maybe he's just not wanting to hang them out to dry?
I get that he has the final say on big stuff. Only right. He's surely the good guy in this mess, not least having done so much good off the field for our club, but been let down by those around him.
Yes, he's made mistakes. No question.
But, how much has he been let down by his 'brains team' and Tan? I would say that's where the biggest blame lies.
They are the ones that do the analysis, identify players, identify managers (*), sort deals, etc etc. (* bar Shota at the start, before the current 'brains trust' was established?).
Acun has of course been directly involved in bringing a small handful of players in during his time so far, fair enough, but not the bulk. He's also worked hard to get deals over the line when needed.
It's clear Acun expected the 'brains trust' and Tan to crack on during summer but they failed miserably, and to be fair he had already said he was still fully committed but had to share his time (businesses & Fener). Then towards the end of the window Acun had no choice but to get back hands on once again. It seems Tan has done something to screw him, whether that's money or performance wise (or both). It seems highly unlikely to me that Acun would have identify Walter himself and then gone against advice of his team; it more like came from them following a brief and he supported it.
I agree with those saying he should install a DoF and let them get on with it. Isn't that pretty much what he was expecting Tan and the 'brains team' to be / do?
I'm a little surprised he still talks so positively about this 'brains team' ... or maybe he's just not wanting to hang them out to dry?
I get that he has the final say on big stuff. Only right. He's surely the good guy in this mess, not least having done so much good off the field for our club, but been let down by those around him.
Sorry,can't agree with any of this.
It's his Club,it's his 4th manager,it's his mess and he's took ownership of this monumental **** up prior to kick off last-night where he also backed the current coach,not for the first time.Ultimately he stands or falls by decisions made at the Club.
My only surprise in your post is you didn't end it with the famous war cry "Some of you lot deserve the Allams back"...
January is only five weeks away. I'm sure a club who trousered nearly £30m in transfer fees only a few months ago has enough spare cash down the back seat of Acuns Rolls Royce to pay Walters salary for this month then his severance pay a week late?
What ever happens its plainly obviously that cracks are starting to appear in the Acun regime. Too many questions are going unanswered.
Would the fans be as patient and still turning up in their thousands if this happened under the Allams ownership?
In the same way the buck stops with Tim for the football being played right now. The buck stops with Acun for a lot of the behind the scenes problems. He is the owner who took a gamble on a stable team and has put it in real risk of it being relegated.
Many have said he should have hired people that know the championship and left them to it. With Rosenior and Darnbrough he probably had that. Instead with the proverbial brains team filled with unknown quantities (and Dublin). This is on him.
I don't disagree that he has to take the ultimate responsibility. That's how it works. My points are simply that, imo, he's likely been badly let down by Tan and his (so called) 'brains team', and that, again imo, we shouldn't lose sight of the great stuff he's done for our club off the pitch (yes, the damage the Allam's did is still fresh in my mind).
A tad pedantic maybe, but it's not really HIS 4th manager. He inherited McCann, he wasn't HIS manager, and he quite understandably choose to bring in someone new. Few argued with that. His choice, Shota, was a mistake. I didn't have an issue with him firing Rosenior at the time, I was frustrated and bored by his football. The mistake has turned out to be the choice of replacement which I suspect likely came as a recommendation from Tan & the brains team (rather than Acun going out and identifying Walter himself).
Personally I can see why Acun has remained supportive of Walter so far. He knows the summer window was a mess. He knows Tan & the brain fart team ****ed up with strikers. He knows Millar and Belloumi (and Alzate) are big losses. I'm sure he's been hoping to get through to January to then fix things and see what Walter can do then. However, I suspect he's now thinking maybe it's got too toxic to continue though. And hopefully he's learnt to stay clear of any coach going forward that thinks they have a special philosophy.... and is taking a hard look at his so called brains team.
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It wasn't a stable team. It was anything but.
Yep, the buck stops with him. I simply suggest he's being let down badly by Tan and his "proverbial brains team". He's done so much good for our club off the field. I hope he's been taking a hard look at his 'brains team', not just the coach position. If he doesn't learn and act then fair enough, it's a downfall then of his own making and that would be such a damn shame. Interesting few weeks ahead (yet again).